I have been focusing on paying attention--feeling my steps
as I walk, jotting down the topics of mind chatter,
observing my thoughts and so on. however, I am not seeing
anything that approaches the "real self" or beyond thought
or whatever phrase you want to pick. I find this
frustrating as all the wisdom suggest to achieve mindfulness
you have go beyond the self or the "I". Technique doesn't
seem to be the answer as we know, but has anyone actually
experienced, not as an illusion or by creating an image,
higher states of consciousness and the absence of the
personality or self?
Nice to meet you. I am not very familiar with the
mindfulness practice. Is it a discipline of
concentration? Granted, it is good to be
in the present moment and our mind is not all over the
place. Can you explain the ideas behind this
To answer your question, I would not say I have experienced
the "total absence of self." I have had glimmers of
the higher and subtle planes of consciousness. At some
point I decided not to pay too much attention to the
experiences since, like everything else, they are fleeting
and, instead, I shifted my focus to living and assimilating
the teachings. Experiences are helpful because we
gain insights from them and they confirm our belief of the
high realms, but the building of character is even more
critical because it elevates our consciousness permanently,
from the separated self to the Universal Self.
Through this self-transformative process, we will see that
different experiences are nothing more but manifestations of
various levels of state of being.
One of my favorite quotes on this subject – But, O Lanoo, be
of clean heart before thou startest on thy journey.
Before thou takest thy first step learn to discern the real
from the false, the ever –fleeting from the everlasting.
Learn above all to separate Head-learning from Soul-Wisdom,
the “Eye” from the “Heart” doctrine.
In all the reading I have done, (Steiner, Krishnamurti,
Gurdjieff, etc.) the approach advocated seems to be reaching
a 'quiet mind" state. That means negating the "me". It
makes sense on an intellectual level, and yet when I "watch"
the chatter and business of thought, nothing other than a
heightened awareness seems to happen, not any sense of
higher consciousness or, the void, or whatever the various
traditions/teachers seem to be suggesting. This is what I
am asking about is the physical experience, not the theory,
of achieving a higher state of consciousness without the
self or the I. I hope this explains it a bit better.
Thanks for your comments.