"When people come together, truly forgetting themselves and united by the magnetic attraction of the good, they emulate and serve in some small measure the Teachers of Humanity, the great galaxy of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas." — The Aquarian Almanac

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November 14, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

” If the soul recollects itself within the one, unchanging, all-sufficing good, dedicating itself to the service of this good, and steadily cleaving there by the power of its will — then this soul will be more recollected and strong the more its thoughts and desires soar to God.”

– Albertus Magnus

November 15, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

” All the World-Saviours, the Bodhisattvas and the Avataras, are the trees of salvation grown out from the one seed, the Bija or ‘Maha Vishnu’.”

— H.P. Blavatsky

” Self-doomed to live through future Kalpas, unthanked and unperceived by men; wedged as a stone with countless other stones which form the ‘Guardian Wall’, such is they future if the seventh Gate thou passest.”

— The Voice of the Silence

I had trouble connecting to the document without having to join something I would prefer not to join.  Can you post excerpts?  We would love to see what you have done on this topic.

November 16, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

” For countless generations hath the adept built a fane of imperishable rocks, a giant’s Tower of INFINITE THOUGHT, wherein the Titan dwelt, and will yet, if need be, dwell alone, emerging from it but at the end of every cycle to invite the elect of mankind to cooperate with him and help in his turn enlighten superstitious man.”

— Mahatma K.H.

Wow is this wonderful.  Thank you many times over.  How perfect for our topic this week.

How do you think the great Greek and Neoplatonic philosophers fit into this concept?  Pythagoras, Plato, Plotinus etc.

It seems to me that any human being working on behalf of human enlightenment is in some way part of the Guardian Wall independent of any national or religious ties.

November 17, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

” I reveal my secrets

To those deserving of them.”

— Jesus

” The Magus marries earth to heaven.”

— Pico della Mirandola

November 19, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

” They who are intelligent and free from sorrow are enabled to ascend above the paradise of the Gods; and when they there have seen the subjection of man to birth and death and the sorrows by which he is afflicted, they open the doors of the immortal.”

— Tched-Du Brjod-Pai Tsoms

” As a corpse has no likes and dislikes, no sensibility to pleasure and pain, even so he who though alive is dead to these, he truly lives, he is truly happy.”

— M. K. Gandhi

What kind of "wall" is this? The idea of a wall implies (to me) that something is being kept away from without, from outside or away from us, whereas the theosophical teaching seems to indicate that our greatest evils, threats, issues, etc. come from within. So what is it this wall is keeping out? Or, is it the opposite: is the wall keeping us out or away from something?

Is there a relation between the "guardian wall" and the "ring pass not" mentioned in the Secret Doctrine (see vol 1, p. 131, for example)?

(good definition of the ring-pass-not here:http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/red-roos.htm)

Hi Jon,

As I understand it on an individual level a ‘guardian wall’ is something we separately or as a group put around us to keep out possible negative influences, may also be done by Higher Beings around Humanity for example to keep similar out.

 A ‘ring pass not’ is an invisible barrier imposed on us by a higher beings/Soul/higher self  to stop us going beyond our present entitlement/consciousness level to some higher levels unless we have earned the right to do so by self purification.

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Permalink Reply by Gerry Kiffe on November 20, 2015 at 3:34pm

Well said.  A sacred and mysterious subject whose sagacity perhaps is as severe as the Voice of the Silence where the idea is referenced.

Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 20, 2015 at 3:44pm

A ‘ring pass not’ is an invisible barrier imposed on us by a higher beings/Soul/higher self  to stop us going beyond our present entitlement/consciousness level to some higher levels unless we have earned the right to do so by self purification.

If this is so, why not for the reverse?  Many people easily fall into the depths of Black Magic and worship very powerful and dangerous forces.  They gain very serious siddhis and control as they become dissolved into the Entity they worship, until they as an individual cease to exist as one.  Where is the Self to put a barrier in regards to this?

If there were a "barrier" to prevent an individual from uniting with ones Logos, how is one ever to succeed in aiding humanity by crossing the antahkarana and reducing the ahankāram to ash; i.e., sacrificing the self to the fires of jñâna (wisdom) ?  How is one able to give to the countless myriads of lives that compose the human frame?  How is one able to take a stand and demand ones inheritance not for their benefit, but to become a stone in the guardian wall?   Why would Higher Beings like Gurudevs, Saints, Risis, Adepts, and most importantly the Higher Self personally debar itself from itself?  This "ring" in nothing created by Divine Beings. 

See here;

SD.i.131;
"...But the full Initiate 
knows that the ring "Pass-Not" is neither a locality nor can it be measured by distance, but that it exists in the absoluteness of infinity. In this "Infinity" of the full Initiate there is neither height, breadth nor thickness, but all is fathomless profundity, reaching down from the physical to the "para-para-metaphysical." In using the word "down," essential depth  "nowhere and everywhere"  is meant, not depth of physical matter."

This ring is our own mind, yet it seems to be a far more subtler principle, the "I-am" principle i.e., Ahaṃkāra all pervasive atmosphere to which one must burn a hole in the ozone, as it were, to pass beyond the limitations of delusion imposed by conditioned existence.  It is a notional barrier existing everywhere a separative one turns.

Naturally, there are many way to understand this topic of "ring-pass not.; SD.i.129;

(a) The esoteric meaning of the first sentence of the Sloka is, that those who have been called Lipikas, the Recorders of the Karmic ledger, make an impassible barrier between the personal EGO and the impersonal SELF, the Noumenon and Parent-Source of the former. Hence the allegory. They circumscribe the manifested world of matter within the RING "Pass-Not." This world is the symbol (objective) of the ONE divided into the many, on the planes of Illusion, of Adi (the "First") or of Eka (the "One"); and this One is the collective aggregate, or totality, of the principal Creators or Architects of this visible universe. 

This impassible barrier is a principle of nature i.e., mulaprakrti.  Remembering a passage from Voice;

"The Self of matter and the SELF of Spirit can never meet.  One of the twain must disappear; there is no place for both."

Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 20, 2015 at 4:55pm

Just a side note here. 

My intention isn't to challenge anyone, but there are very interesting topics that can be mentioned with what James had said.  However, looking back on it, one thing that strikes me; "...imposed on us by a higher beings/Soul/higher self  to stop us going beyond our present entitlement/consciousness level to some higher levels.."

Can you be very specific about this in an explanation? If one weren't entitled to a specific initiation (?) how could one otherwise claim it?  How might it be bestowed upon one?  "The laborer is worthy of his hire."  States of advancement are given by a Impersonal Principle which is constantly present, and earned by the struggling soul to free itself from the bonds of objective and thus limited existence.  This is the purification process as you had rightfully mentioned. Though, it is in regards to this idea of a personal debarment which I am confused.  Please explain. 

This barrier is "impassible" to only a specific self, the self governed and constantly checked by Karma.  Karma and this self are both intimately related. Because of one, ther other is under the endless sway of Laws governing Matter.  Hence, Matter, Ego, and Karma are in wedded union, not so with the Self, the disinterested Witness, One Pure Impersonal.

Some considerations from B. Shankar;

The Karana-Sharira-Self, great as it is, compared to the personality, is still separative, and has therefore the higher equivalents of passion, fear and hate. What is then the Raga (passion) of such a philosopher? By hard struggle and exertions he has built up his individuality and he is attached to the serenity and calm which he enjoys therein. With much patience and pain he has wrought for himself a bed for repose which he does not like to quit. What then can be his Bhaya (fear)? The fears of ordinary man have no sting for him. Even death has lost its power to terrorise him. Still he has fear, and it overpowers him when he attempts to rise above his Karana-Sharira. By his thinking and reasoning he sees the necessity for transcending his Karana-Sharira, but when he makes an attempt to leave it he finds himself lost as he loses his centre; and as in the Case of the ordinary man when death overtakes him he is seized with terror, so, the philosopher feels perhaps a deeper terror when he leaves his Karana-Sharira. The reason is that, when isolated from its three bodies* the Jivatma passes into Maha-Sushupti, the neutral barrier, the Great Sunyam, which can only be passed through devotion to Bhagavan. Not unless his Karana-Sharira ego is surrendered to Bhagavan with deep devotion, and the Real Self, the One Life, is realised thereby, is it possible to cross this neutral barrier. Further we have the word Krodha (hatred). Now to a philosopher it is his Not-Self that becomes his enemy. He has built up his individuality as against this Not-Self, and he feels himself secure only so long as he can keep this Not-Self in subjection. Hence there is a perpetual warfare between his Self and Not-Self.

 *Jivatman three general upadhis; bodies, which correspond to three general stages (of consciousness modified by the) matter (it is reflected through).  These are all operating simultaneously regardless of our awareness, or lack thereof.   Thus, there are three selves which claim identification to each state.  These are generalities, not specifics.  

Permalink Reply by james E Orchard on November 20, 2015 at 5:35pm
Kristan,  firstly thank you for the apology as the original email could of been read in a very negative way.
 
‘Ring-pass-not’ and ‘Guardian Wall’;  I was trying to write a simple easy to understand difference between the two sayings from my own understanding, without lengthy quotes some readers may find hard to understand.
 
You appear to have missed the point I thought was well covered this by saying ‘unless we have earned the right to do so by self purification’,
This all full Initiates have obviously done therefore they understand it from a expanded view point.
 
While in one sense it is self imposed and not by a higher being, but in another sense, and for some to understand it, is often shown as being imposed and guarded from above.
 
The Cherubim with the flaming sword is a Biblical symbol of a ‘Ring-pass-not’
 
A guardian wall is used by some individuals and groups in meditation and similar to repel dangerous forces when they maybe in a vulnerable state of consciousness.
 
The difference I was showing was one can be self imposed at any time it is required for a specific purpose, while the other is individual and takes a long period/life times of self purification before it is dissolved, or put another way before the Cherubim lays down his Sword and lets the ‘purified one’ past
 
With regard to Black magic we all have free will and have to discover for ourselves by trail and error which is the correct spiritual path for us.
 
I have not fully read your last post yet
Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 20, 2015 at 6:08pm
My apologies, I think it was just a way something has been worded which really threw me into confusion. I fully agree with purification process, as this is truly important. Please take no offense , I was not trying to be insulting, I hope you understand.

I am still struggling to catch the drift of "to stop us going beyond our present entitlement/consciousness level to some higher level." This is what I don't understand. Are you referring to the personality by this?
Permalink Reply by james E Orchard on November 20, 2015 at 6:56pm
To put it as simply as I possibly can with my very limited/little educated vocabulary.
 
No one can communicate with a 'True Master' unless they have purified/refined themselves, built the antahkarana out of the finest of Mental and Buddhic matter, during their long purification and occult meditation process.
Then in meditation their consciousness/psyche can pass up, or as some say 'cross to the other shore', to the Buddhic plane/level  where the Masters communicate from if necessary.
As I understand it from Raja Yoga and from HPB’s words, In the early stages at least, this crossing over and its timing is totally out of our individual control and happens from above totally by surprise. (possibly at the discretion of the Solar Angel)
 
HPB quote CW:..........The period of outer and verbal communication between Masters and theosophists has been clearly and officially closed with the end of the 19th century. Yet outer forms of contact are superficial. The real communion occurs in silence and wordlessly at the Buddhic and Buddhi-Manasic level.   It is the activity of his sixth principle which entitles any human being - and not just members of the theosophical movement, to receive higher inspiration and to deserve “help from above”. (C. C. A.)
 
I hope this clears up any lack of understanding you may have.
 
Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 21, 2015 at 1:55am
Thanks James, appreciated.

Though, it hasn't cleared up any confusion regarding the barrier imposed on us by Divine Beings you had mentioned. I suppose each one of us has different understandings which I do respect.

Thank you.
Permalink Reply by james E Orchard on November 21, 2015 at 3:49am

Yes Kristan, perhaps the barrier is not totally clear. 
Try the S. D. Commentaries Ch 13, question 1

How do the “Recorders of the Karmic ledger” make an impassable barrier between the Personal Ego and the Impersonal Self ? over the next few pages HPB discusses this and on page 387 we have;

Nothing manifested or having form or name or number can cross beyond the ring which divides the immutable and the manifested from the ever-present and immutable. Now, do put this into your wise heads, my dear children. There is the difference between the immutable and the manifested, and the ever-present and the immutable; and you cannot cross this line and you cannot—it is impossible—nothing that is within this domain can pass into the other, the beyond.

I would also like to mention that somewhere it is stated the Recorders or Lipika are in reality The Solar Angels/Causal Body

Also “The Karana-Sharira-Self, great as it is, compared to the personality, is still separative, and has therefore the higher equivalents of passion, fear and hate”  This belongs to the middle of 3 evolution or ‘Solar Fire”, the higher one indicated is “Electric Fire” or “Monadic Fire”

Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 21, 2015 at 3:55am

note here: 
SD.i.129

"The Lipika separate the world (or plane) of pure spirit from that of Matter. Those who "descend and ascend" — the incarnating Monads, and men striving towards purification and "ascending," but still not having quite reached the goal — may cross the "circle of the Pass-Not," only on the day "Be-With-Us"; that day when man, freeing himself from the trammels of ignorance, and recognising fully the non-separateness of the Ego within his personality — erroneously regarded as his own — from the UNIVERSAL EGO (Anima Supra-Mundi), merges thereby into the One Essence to become not only one "with us" (the manifested universal lives which are "ONE" LIFE), but that very life itself.

I've purged many texts to try and find any hints about the only thing which confuses me about your statement; "an invisible barrier imposed on us by a higher beings/Soul/higher self  to stop us going beyond our present entitlement/consciousness level to some higher levels."

To me, all evidence shows that this "barrier" is nothing more than the separative personality created by the separative notion of I.

All the rest, including you most recent post, I have stated as well, and fully agree.  The " S. D. Commentaries Ch 13, question 1" can simply be understood by HPB herself;
"The Self of matter and the SELF of Spirit can never meet.  One of the twain must disappear; there is no place for both."


Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on November 20, 2015 at 1:53pm

November 20, 2015 Theme for Contemplation: The Guardian Wall

“Our guardian is both warrior and philosopher.” — Plato

“O Awakened Ones, who for countless aeons

Generated compassion out of mercy for beings,

Delight in the thoughts of my prayers.

The time is right to work the good of the world.”

— Nagarjuna

Permalink Reply by james E Orchard on November 21, 2015 at 6:05pm
Hi Kristan, .........I will make this my last reply on this subject.
 
Your past statement about our understanding depending on which line of teachings one follow is probably the easiest way to understand it all.
 
However, briefly returning to the SD Commentaries p 386 and Keightley makes a statement about the Esoteric meaning presumably from some of HPB’s  notes which she agreed on.
The point I would like to make here is the ‘Esoteric meaning’ is often far more than can be put in exoteric writings to the public, but quite simple when explained and understood internally.
Consequently this maybe the reason why you are having trouble finding it in any written texts.
 
Mr. A. Keightley:...It is said here the esoteric meaning of the first sentence is that those who have been called Lipikas and the re­corders make an impassable barrier between the personal ego and the impersonal self.
Mme. Blavatsky:...Certainly.
 
Permalink Reply by Kristan Stratos on November 21, 2015 at 8:14pm

James,

I was really hoping for your explanation regarding a portion of your quotation I've been referring to.

At any rate, it has just dawned on me what you are conveying.  In all honesty, words are the only thing we have at the moment to communicate... Sometimes its difficult for one to understand those of another.  You and I haven't spent much time communicating, so it is difficult for me to understand your thought process.  Such is the limits of the internet.

The Lipikas correspond to a Universal Principle, they are Agents of Eternal Dharma.  This can be traced to a principle in the microcosm as well...  The reason why it is impassable for the personal ego  I feel has already been made clear- simply because it (the personal ego) is born of karmic seeds, i.e., it cannot pass beyond its own fluctuating and notional Nature.  It is a massive and really important topic, which probably would require a forum of its own.  

As per your request, let us end the this discussion, though it is a good one.