Current Theme: Globes, Rounds and Races

The Earth Chain

The Secret Doctrine book i p.140-145

The Seven Globes

SD i 152-157

The Seven Rounds

SD i 158-162

Planes of Consciousness

SD i 166-167

Globes and Monads

SD i 170-175

The Lunar Monads

SD i 179-181

Globes and Adepts

SD Book i 205-207

Invisible Spheres

SD Book i 604-610

Pitris and Kalpas

SD Book ii 44-47

Rounds and Races

SD Book ii 161-170

The Separation of the Sexes

SD Book ii 191-197

The Evolution of the Races

SD Book ii 227, 249-250

The Early Races

SD Book ii 263-271

The Meridian of Races

SD Book ii 300-301

Lemuro-Atlantean Civilization

SD Book ii 316-320

The Nascent Fifth Race

SD Book ii 349-351

Archaic Records

SD Book ii 423-436

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From Section:  The Earth Chain   SD Book i 140

3. OF THE SEVEN (elements)—FIRST ONE MANIFESTED, SIX CONCEALED; TWO MANIFESTED—FIVE CONCEALED; THREE MANIFESTED—FOUR CONCEALED; FOUR PRODUCED—THREE HIDDEN; FOUR AND ONE TSAN (fraction) REVEALED—TWO AND ONE HALF CONCEALED; SIX TO BE MANIFESTED—ONE LAID ASIDE (a). LASTLY, SEVEN SMALL WHEELS REVOLVING; ONE GIVING BIRTH TO THE OTHER (b).

(a.) Although these Stanzas refer to the whole Universe after a Mahapralaya (universal destruction), yet this sentence, as any student of Occultism may see, refers also by analogy to the evolution and final formation of the primitive (though compound) Seven Elements on our Earth. Of these, four elements are now fully manifested, while the fifth—Ether—is only partially so, as we are hardly in the second half of the Fourth Round, and consequently the fifth Element will manifest fully only in the Fifth Round. The Worlds, including our own, were of course, as germs, primarily evolved from the ONE Element in its second stage ("Father-Mother," the differentiated World's Soul, not what is termed the "Over-Soul" by Emerson), whether we call it, with modern Science, Cosmic dust and Fire Mist, or with Occultism—Akâsa, Jivâtma, divine Astral Light, or the "Soul of the World." But this first stage of Evolution was in due course of time followed by the next. No world, as no heavenly body, could be constructed on the objective plane, had not the Elements been sufficiently differentiated already from their primeval Ilus, resting in Laya. The latter term is a synonym of Nirvana. It is, in fact, the Nirvanic dissociation of all substances, merged after a life-cycle into the latency of their primary conditions. It is the luminous but bodiless shadow of the matter that was, the realm of negativeness—wherein lie latent during their period of rest the active Forces of the Universe.....

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Is the teaching concerning Globes, Rounds and Races essentially a teaching about the grand cycles of life?

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From the Section called: The Seven Globes opening paragraph  SD book i page 152-153

It is idle to speak of "laws arising when Deity prepares to create" for (a) laws or rather LAW is eternal and uncreated; and (b) that Deity is Law, and vice versa. Moreover, the one eternal LAW unfolds everything in the (to be) manifested Nature on a sevenfold principle; among the rest, the countless circular chains of worlds, composed of seven globes, graduated on the four lower planes of the world of formation (the three others belonging to the Archetypal Universe). Out of these seven only one, the lowest and the most material of those globes, is within our plane or means of perception, the six others lying outside of it and being therefore invisible to the terrestrial eye. Every such chain of worlds is the progeny and creation of another, lower, and dead chain—its reincarnation, so to say. To make it clearer: we are told of the planets—of which seven only were held as sacred, as being ruled by the highest regents or gods, and not at all because the ancients knew nothing of the others †—that each of these, whether known or unknown, is a septenary, as is the chain to which the Earth belongs (see "Esoteric Buddhism"). For instance, all such planets as Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc., etc., or our Earth, are as visible to us as our globe, probably, is to the inhabitants of the other planets, if any, because they are all on the same plane; while the superior fellow-globes of these planets are on other planes quite outside that of our terrestrial senses. As their relative position is given further on, and also in the diagram appended to the Comments on Verse 7 of Stanza VI., a few words of explanation is all that is needed at present. These invisible companions correspond curiously to that which we call "the principles in Man." The seven are on three material planes and one spiritual plane, answering to the three Upadhis (material bases) and one spiritual vehicle (Vahan) of our seven principles in the human division. If, for the sake of a clearer mental conception, we imagine the human principles to be arranged as in the following scheme, we shall obtain the annexed diagram of correspondences:—

* See the note which follows the Commentary on the preceding page, and also the summary of the Stanzas in the Proem, page 22.

† Many more planets are enumerated in the Secret Books than in modern astronomical works.

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Corresponding Chart:

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Is the equating of Deity with Law evidence of the impersonality principle in the esoteric sciences? What other things do we learn from this equivalence?

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Would someone please define these three things in simple language for me?

Globe, Round, Race

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Hi Grace,

For starters, allow me to propose a short paragraph that, I think, gives a fairly simple overview of the basic concepts:

"by a “Round” is meant the serial evolution of nascent material nature, of the seven globes of our chain* with their mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms (man being there included in the latter and standing at the head of it) during the whole period of a life-cycle. The latter would be called by the Brahmins “a Day of Brahma.” It is, in short, one revolution of the “Wheel” (our planetary chain), which is composed of seven globes (or seven separate “Wheels,” in another sense this time). When evolution has run downward into matter, from planet A to planet G, or Z, as the Western students call it, it is one Round. In the middle of the Fourth revolution, which is our present “Round”: “Evolution has reached its acme of physical development, crowned its work with the perfect physical man, and, from this point, begins its work spirit-ward.” sd231

One point about this system that I think is easy to relate to, is that it uses the five elements in a cosmogonic context (one can, moreover, see the order of fire, air, water, earth being used), which is an aspect that is very pervasive in ancient cosmogonies. Even Maimonides' cosmogony has noticeable affinities to the SD concepts.

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Is a Round equivalent to a Manvantara?

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Yes, but…

Manvantara is generally used for a period of activity or manifestation, and a pralaya for a period of rest, but as HPB points out, the term manvantara needs then further to be defined.

A manvantara means literally "between two manus", man or mankind. Between a root manu at the beginning of a round (globe A) and a seed manu at the end of the round (globe G). The seed manu will re-become the new root manu for the following round, so in that sense a manvantara may apply to a whole round from globe A to globe B, but it can equally apply to a whole period of activity of a planetary chain (7 rounds) or a solar manvantara and so on up to the life of Brahmâ (100 years of Brahmâ). The life-cycle of a planetary chain is only a Day of Brahmâ. You can make further correspondences to an individual life-cycle of a human being or to any being for that matter, even an individual day in the life of man and call your night of sleep a pralaya or the period between two incarnations a pralaya.

A beautiful correspondence to remember which is the root and which is the seed manu exist between the parts of a developing tree and a single round, we start with 1. a root 2. a trunk 3. branches 4. leaves 5. flowers 6. fruit 7. seed, and the seed becomes a new root again, each part corresponding with a globe.

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So are you saying that a Round is the whole cycle both the Manvantara and Pralaya combined?

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Good point Gerry!

In a certain sense it is, normally a manvantara (or period of manifestation) is followed by a pralaya (a period of rest) of equal length, but in the case of the individual rounds it is a combination of both. HPB points out that there is a short period of rest - called a sandhya, a twilight - for the life wave of monads transitioning from one globe to the next (between all 7 globes), each sandhya equal in length to one-tenth of the duration of the whole cycle of one round. Call it an inter-globe pralaya or minor pralaya if you like, and that also includes the period of rest between globe G to A at the end of a round. This period of rest, twilight or Sandhya also exist correspondentially between each Root-Race. For the different kinds of pralaya see:

SD I:53: "There are many kinds ofpralaya (dissolution of a thing visible), as will be shown elsewhere." 

and SD I:172fn*: "Occultism divides the periods of Rest (Pralaya) into several kinds; there is the individual pralaya of each Globe, as humanity and life pass on to the next; seven minor Pralayas in each Round; the planetary Pralaya, when seven Rounds are completed; the Solar Pralaya, when the whole system is at an end; and finally the Universal Maha—or Brahmâ—Pralaya at the close of the "Age of Brahmâ." These are the three chief pralayas or "destruction periods." There are many other minor ones, but with these we are not concerned at present." (See also SD I: 370-371).

So even the term "minor pralaya", twilight or Sandhya is used as a formula (for the formula see SD I:20-21) "In the minor pralayas there is no starting de novo - only resumption of arrested activity." Mahatma Letters XV, p.97.

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A globe is one of the 7 principles of the earth chain (the sum total of 7 globes) as represented in the diagram on p.153 - right hand side) where you see each globe corresponding to one of the 7 principles in man (left hand side), they are the same globes as seen in the diagram on p.200 (left, the theosophical representation, right the kabalistic representation) and on the left hand side in the diagram on p.172. EACH globe - as one of the principles of the earth chain - represents a state of consciousness in combination with it's material vehicle. These 7 globes are situated on 4 rupa planes (again 4 different gradations of substance, rupa meaning form), each plane harboring 2 globes except for the bottom one (globe D) which is our present habitat corresponding with the most material globe where spirit and matter meet so to speak. As one descends down the planes to the "bottom", the spirit (consciousness) becomes more and more entrapped in the denser material vehicles.

A round is simply the path taken by the monadic life wave (discussed later on) starting on globe A, then descending to globe B, then C, then D and upward again via E, F and G. In other words, a round is the journey of the monads (life wave) from globe A to G like in a circle. "We" are now in the 4th round on globe D and will "move" in a distant future to globe E.

When 7 of these rounds have been accomplished by the monadic life wave, then the planetary chain will die and reincarnate into a new chain (just like man in his individual incarnations). The total duration of these 7 rounds (the life of a planet) is called a Day of Brahmâ which will be followed by a Night of Brahmâ of equal duration when the life wave is reabsorbed in nirvana.

A Race is the development of a type of humanity in which specific qualities of spirit, soul (mind) and body are developed in accordance with the necessities of the cycle through which each race moves and the substance with which it comes into contact. So, on each globe the monadic life wave goes through 7 Root Races (7 different qualities of humanity) and each Root Race is again divided into 7 Sub Races and each Sub Race again into 7 family races. So neither Root Race nor Sub Race has any direct relation to ethnicity (ethnic races) which only comes into play at the level of family races.

At present the whole of humanity is in its 4th Round and 4th globe (D). On this globe D we are in the stage of the 5th Root Race and within the 5th Root Race we are in the 5th Sub Race which will be followed by the 6th and 7th Sub Race and then we move into the 6th Root Race, and so forth.

The 3rd Root Race was generally called Lemurian, the 4th root Race Atlantean and our 5th Root Race is called Aryan (the whole of humanity).

This is just a quick birds eye view with hundreds of details left out :-)

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Permalink Reply by Christopher Scarzo on June 7, 2014 at 11:20am
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I like this explanation. It makes it clearer in my mind about the Process of the Life Wave. Any thoughts on retrogression, or is that simply a dualistic manner of thinking ? We tend to think in evolutionary terms, eternal progression, day and nights, as we think past, present, and future. It feels like a Clockwork Deity, instead of what is inherent Law. 

 

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 9, 2014 at 7:55am
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I think retrogression is part of the program, for example, the text below:

"The physical body of man undergoes a complete change of structure every seven years, and its destruction and preservation are due to the alternate function of the fiery lives as “destroyers” and “builders.” They are “builders” by sacrificing themselves in the form of vitality to restrain the destructive influence of the microbes, and, by supplying the microbes with what is necessary, they compel them under that restraint to build up the material body and its cells. They are “destroyers” also when that restraint is removed and the microbes, unsupplied with vital constructive energy, are left to run riot as destructiveagents. Thus, during the first half of a man’s life (the first five periods of seven years each) the “fiery lives” are indirectly engaged in the process of building up man’s material body; life is on the ascending scale, and the force is used in construction and increase. After this period is passed the age of retrogression commences, and, the work of the “fiery lives” exhausting their strength, the work of destruction and decrease also commences.

An analogy between cosmic events in the descent of spirit into matter for the first half of a manvantara (planetary as human) and its ascent at the expense of matter in the second half, may here be traced." (SD I 262-63)

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 9, 2014 at 4:51pm
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Thanks Casady,

that's an interesting correspondence you bring up there, applied to the microcosm!

Permalink Reply by Grace Cunningham on June 18, 2014 at 12:21pm
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This is extremely helpful and so clear, thank you.   What is meant by the term earth chain?

Permalink Reply by Lami Teksöz on October 13, 2015 at 10:47am
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I need help in order to be sure about the correlation between Rounds and Root Races.

 At the comments of Mr. Pierre Woters on June 6th, it reads:

 “At present the whole of humanity is in its 4th Round and 4th globe (D). On this globe D we are in the stage of the 5th Root Race…..”

 That is exactly the matter I need confirmation. Is it true that there is no direct match between the rounds and root races; because root races overlapping ?

 In other words, beginnings and ends of root races don’t match with the beginnig and ends of Earth’s round?

 

Thank you in advance,

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on October 13, 2015 at 11:37am
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Hi Lami,

The process runs as follows, you'll find all of this in a bit more detail in SD I:170 "Additional facts and explanations concerning the globes and the monads":

Briefly: The life wave of human monads (consisting of 7 hierarchies divided into 3 classes) coming from the Moon chain - their previous habitat - enter the first globe A in the first round on which they evolve though 7 Root-races (each root-race divided into 7 sub-races and each sub-race divided into 7 family-races where the differentiation of ethnicity is completed).

Then they move on to globe B - same process correspondentially speaking as on globe A but in a slightly denser fabric of substance, then the same for globe C, D, E, F and G. This completes the first round after which they move to the second round (each transition to the next globe or round is accompanied by a minor pralaya called Sandhya).

From globe A to D (D is where we are evolving now) is called involution because the density and resistance of matter increases and the influence of spirit diminishes. From D to G is called evolution as we swing again "upwards" toward spirit, and matter becomes again etherealized and less of a burden.

The same again for the following rounds - in each round there are some changes as to the status of each hierarchy and class of monads but not all of them are explained in detail. When 7 rounds have been completed by the life wave of human monads, a planetary pralaya (rest in nirvana) sets in which lasts for the same duration as the length of the planetary manvantara of 7 rounds after which the life wave moves on to the reincarnation of our present planetary chain of 7 globes and our present chain will become the moon or satellite of that new chain. At some point we will have developed so far that we will move beyond planetary evolution and responsibilities and move into a solar evolution and responsibilities that encompass the whole solar system.

So where are we evolving now? As said before, globe D is where we have our evolution at present. Seven root-races will be developed on this - our - present globe. Four have already been accomplished, so now we are in the 5th Root-race and in the 5th sub-race or division of that 5th root-race. At the end of the Kali-yuga which according to the Brahminical calendar will last for another 427,000 years we will evolve into the 6 Root-race, again with 7 sub-divisions. When the 7th Root-race is finished we'll move on to globe E where we go through the same structure but on a slightly less material plane.

Hope this helps, keeping in mind that not everything is explained in detail and that there is more not being said than what is given.

Permalink Reply by Lami Teksöz on October 13, 2015 at 2:18pm
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Thank you Pierre. I am indeed looking at different books, documents and article -related only the Secret Doctrine- to find the solution for my problems and questions.

Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on June 7, 2014 at 4:04pm
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From the Section Called: The Seven Globes  SD Book i pages 158-162

...the doctrine of the septenary chains of worlds in the Solar Kosmos, the teaching is briefly thus:—

1. Everything in the metaphysical as in the physical Universe is septenary. Hence every sidereal body, every planet, whether visible or invisible, is credited with six companion globes. (See Diagram No. 3, after verse 6 of this commentary.) The evolution of life proceeds on these seven globes or bodies from the 1st to the 7th in Seven ROUNDS or Seven Cycles.

2. These globes are formed by a process which the Occultists call the "rebirth of planetary chains (or rings)." When the seventh and last Round of one of such rings has been entered upon, the highest or first globe "A," followed by all the others down to the last, instead of entering upon a certain time of rest—or "obscuration," as in their previous Rounds—begins to die out. The "planetary" dissolution (pralaya) is at hand, and its hour has struck; each globe has to transfer its life and energy to another planet. (See diagram No. 2 infra, "The Moon and the Earth.")

3. Our Earth, as the visible representative of its invisible superior fellow globes, its "lords" or "principles" (see diagram No. 1), has to live, as have the others, through seven Rounds. During the first three, it forms and consolidates; during the fourth it settles and hardens; during the last three it gradually returns to its first ethereal form: it is spiritualised, so to say.

4. Its Humanity develops fully only in the Fourth—our present Round. Up to this fourth Life-Cycle, it is referred to as "humanity" only for lack of a more appropriate term. Like the grub which becomes chrysalis and butterfly, Man, or rather that which becomes man, passes through all the forms and kingdoms during the first Round and through all the human shapes during the two following Rounds. Arrived on our Earth at the commencement of the Fourth in the present series of life-cycles and races, MAN is the first form that appears thereon, being preceded only by the mineral and vegetable kingdoms—even the latter having to develop and continue its further evolution through man. This will be explained in Book II. During the three Rounds to come, Humanity, like the globe on which it lives, will be ever tending to reassume its primeval form, that of a Dhyan Chohanic Host. Man tends to become a God and then—GOD, like every other atom in the Universe.

"Beginning so early as with the 2nd round, Evolution proceeds already on quite a different plan. It is only during the 1st round that (heavenly) man becomes a human being on globe A (rebecomes) a mineral, a plant, an animal, on globe B and C, etc. The process changes entirely from the second round—but you have learned prudence . . . and I advise you to say nothing before the time for saying it has come. . ." (Extract from the Teacher's letters on various topics.)

5. Every life-cycle on Globe D (our Earth)* is composed of seven root-races. They commence with the Ethereal and end with the spiritual on the double line of physical and moral evolution—from the beginning of the terrestrial round to its close. (One is a "planetary round" from Globe A to Globe G, the seventh; the other, the "globe round," or the terrestrial).

This is very well described in "Esoteric Buddhism" and needs no further elucidation for the time being.

6. The first root-race, i.e., the first "men" on earth (irrespective of form) were the progeny of the "celestial men," called rightly in Indian philosophy the "Lunar Ancestors" or the Pitris, of which there are seven classes or Hierarchies. As all this will be sufficiently explained in the following sections and in Book II., no more need be said of it here........

every "Round" brings about a new development and even an entire change in the mental, psychic, spiritual and physical constitution of man, all these principles evoluting on an ever ascending scale. Thence it follows that those persons who, like Confucius and Plato, belonged psychically, mentally and spiritually to the higher planes of evolution, were in our Fourth Round as the average man will be in the Fifth Round, whose mankind is destined to find itself, on this scale of Evolution, immensely higher than is our present humanity. Similarly Gautama Buddha—Wisdom incarnate—was still higher and greater than all the men we have mentioned, who are called Fifth Rounders, while Buddha and Sankaracharya are termed Sixth Rounders, allegorically. Thence again the concealed wisdom of the remark, pronounced at the time "evasive"—that a few drops of rain do not make the Monsoon, though they presage it."

And now the truth of the remark made in "Esoteric Buddhism" by its author will be fully apparent:—

"It is impossible, when the complicated facts of an entirely unfamiliar science are being presented to untrained minds for the first time, to put them forward with all their appropriate qualifications . . . and abnormal developments. . . . We must be content to take the broad rules first and deal with the exceptions afterwards, and especially is this the case with study, in connection with which the traditional methods of teaching, generally followed, aim at impressing every fresh idea on the memory by provoking the perplexity it at last relieves."

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 16, 2014 at 10:29pm
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" Beginning so early as with the 2nd round, Evolution proceeds already on quite a different plan. It is only during the 1st round that heavenly man becomes a human being on globe A ( rebecomes ) a mineral, a plant, an animal , on globe B and C etc.The process changes entirely from the second round."

Can someone please explain this to me.

Permalink Reply by Gerry Kiffe on June 18, 2014 at 11:07am
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Debashree;  HPB is giving us an explanation of the grand cycles of Nature that culminate in the presence of man on this planet.  This is a metaphysical process that begins on invisible planes and progressively becomes ever more material. She makes it clear that it is a distinct process with distinct phases and steps.  This complicated process is important to understand because it gives us a credible explanation for the divine nature of man and Nature.  I suggest you take a look at Pierre's explanation of the three terms "Globes, Rounds and Races" on page one of this discussion.  Let that lead you and us to the next clue in our journey of discovery.  And perhaps your next question.

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 18, 2014 at 6:06pm
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Debashree, I apologize for this lengthy reply, but that’s the nature of explaining something in writing, saying it would only take about 10 minutes :-)

The sentence you quote consist of two sections, i.e., what happens in the 1st round and what will happen in the 2nd round. As to the 2nd round the Masters already gave the answer "but you have learned prudence . . . and I advise you to say nothing before the time for saying it has come. . ." (Extract from the Teacher's letters on various topics.)". However, little information as to the 2nd round has been scattered through the SD, but the student will have to do some digging and use his/her intuition to supplement the rather scarce information.

The principle outline of evolution with regard to the human monads (i.e., monads having reached the human stage of development at the close of the evolution of the moon chain) in the 1st round has been plainly outlined between pages 171 and 176. HPB explains (p.171) that:

"the Monads cycling round any septenary chain are divided into seven classes or hierarchies according to their respective stages of evolution, consciousness, and merit. Let us follow, then, the order of their appearance on planet A, in the first Round."

So HPB explains that the life wave of human monads is divided into 7 hierarchies - a word of caution here - it would be a good idea to keep using the term hierarchies instead of classes because on p. 174 it says: "The Monadic Host may be roughly divided into three great classes".

The "Monadic Host" is a reference to the previously mentioned 7 hierarchies of human monads (or lunar monads or life wave being equivalents) and she will divide these 7 hierarchies into 3 classes on p.174! So it is easier to refer to 7 hierarchies divided into 3 classes, than 7 classes divided into 3 classes, as these terms could easily be mixed up.

So returning back to the 7 hierarchies (never mind the 3 classes for now), these 7 hierarchies are 7 different developmental stages of the human monads (or incipient heavenly man) coming over from the moon chain after their interplanetary nirvana (between the moon and the new earth chain), the 1st hierarchy being the most developed, the 7th being the least developed in the human stage of the life wave. 

So, “when Globe A of the new chain is ready, the first Hierarchy of Monads from the Lunar chain incarnate upon it in the lowest kingdom, and so on successively. The result of this is, that it is only the first class of Monads [1st hierarchy] which attains the human state of development during the first Round, [on every globe!] since the second class [hierarchy], on each planet, arriving later, has not time to reach that stage. Thus the Monads of Class 2 [2nd hierarchy] reach the incipient human stage only in the Second Round, [on every globe!] and so on up to the middle of the Fourth Round.” (p.173) [Square brackets are mine]

Thus, when the 1st hierarchy arrives onto globe A, it moves consecutively through the 6 “astral blueprints” or “archetypes” if you like, of the kingdoms to be developed into “prototypes” starting with the lowest kingdom and ending with the 7th as the kingdom of man - each of these 6 lower kingdoms (themselves life waves!) having already arrived ahead of the human life wave, otherwise there would be nothing to work with! (very little is said of this topic in the SD but there is more in The Mahatma Letters).

Then, when the 1st hierarchy arrived - for instance in the animal kingdom - on any one globe (developing the animal life forms - whatever that may have represented on globe A in the 1st round), the 2nd hierarchy arrived in the vegetable kingdom, the 3rd in the mineral, and so on. The arrivals are arranged so that “The time-spaces between the appearances of these hierarchies on any one Globe are so adjusted that when Hierarchy 7, the last [the tail end], appears on Globe A, Hierarchy 1, the first, [the head] has just passed on to Globe B, and so on, step by step, all round the chain.” (p.171)

Here we see that although the “process changes entirely from the second round”, the principle arrangement remains the same. The 2nd hierarchy reaching the human stage in the 2nd round on each globe, the 3rd hierarchy reaching it in the 3rd round on each globe and the 4th in the 4th round. Each following hierarchy moving further up the ladder of kingdoms in every new round. Then the door (on globe D) is closed in the 4th round, the first 4 hierarchies having reached the human kingdom, the 3 remaining hierarchies (5, 6 & 7) that didn’t make it to the human stage will have to abide their time in the lower kingdoms until the end of the planetary chain:

“For the Monads which had not reached the human stage by this point will, owing to the evolution of humanity itself, find themselves so far behind that they will reach the human stage only at the close of the seventh and last Round. They will, therefore, not be men on this chain, but will form the humanity of a future Manvantara and be rewarded by becoming "Men" on a higher chain altogether, thus receiving their Karmic compensation.” (p. 173)

As to the classes vs the hierarchies, on p.174 HPB explains that the 7 hierarchies are divided into 3 classes, the 1st class only containing the 1st hierarchy (the actual lunar pitris, the other hierarchies are lunar monads, not pitris - yet):

“The Monadic Host may be roughly divided into three great classes:—

1. The most developed Monads (the Lunar Gods or "Spirits," called, in India, the Pitris), whose function it is to pass in the first Round through the whole triple cycle of the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms in their most ethereal, filmy, and rudimentary forms, in order to clothe themselves in, and assimilate, the nature of the newly formed chain. They are those who first reach the human form (if there can be any form in the realm of the almost subjective) on Globe A in the first Round. It is they, therefore, who lead and represent the human element during the second and third Rounds, and finally evolve their shadows at the beginning of the Fourth Round for the second class, or those who come behind them.”

So they are clearly the lunar pitris whom evolve or exude their chhayas (shadows) at the beginning of the 4th round into which they themselves incarnate and which will form the astral bodies for the (later) incarnating Egos of the hierarchies that come after them.

They are thus the 1st hierarchy of lunar monads (called pitris - fathers) arriving on the earth chain in the 1st round on globe A and already reaching the human stage on that first globe.

Then class 2 contains hierarchy 2, 3 & 4. We have to deduce that ourselves based on the previous explanation that hierarchies 2, 3 & 4 consecutively reach the human stage in each consecutive round: “2. Those Monads that are the first to reach the human stage during the three and a half Rounds, and to become men.” The half round being the 4th.

Class 3 thus containing the remaining hierarchies 5, 6 & 7 whom remain in the lower kingdoms with the exception of those monads captured into anthropoid bodies:

“As shown, the MONAD had passed through, journeyed and been imprisoned in, every transitional form throughout every kingdom of nature during the three preceding Rounds. But the monad which becomes human is not the Man. In this Round—with the exception of the highest mammals after man, the anthropoids destined to die out in this our race, when their monads will be liberated and pass into the astral human forms (or the highest elementals) of the Sixth * and the Seventh Races, and then into lowest human forms in the fifth Round—no units of either of the kingdoms are animated any longer by monads destined to become human in their next stage, but only by the lower Elementals of their respective realms.” (p.184)

Hope this helps.

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 18, 2014 at 10:29pm
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Thanks Pierre...... but I still did not understand the following:

1) ... during the first round heavenly man becomes a human being on globe A ... ok I understand this

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2) do the heavenly men become the mineral , vegetable, animal only from  B, C etc.(that is why the term 'rebecomes ' is used ?

then on globe A who is the mineral , vegetable etc..?

4) what exactly is the difference between the 1st round and the succeeding rounds.

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Permalink Reply by Peter on June 19, 2014 at 5:15am
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Debashree and Pierre - apologies for butting in.  I wonder if it might be helpful to consider what HPB means by the term ‘human’ or ‘humanity’.  In the SD, we find the following:

“The Doctrine teaches that, in order to become a divine, fully conscious god, – aye, even the highest – the Spiritual primeval INTELLIGENCES must pass through the human stage. And when we say human, this does not apply merely to our terrestrial humanity, but to the mortals that inhabit any world, i.e., to those Intelligences that have reached the appropriate equilibrium between matter and spirit, as we have now, since the middle point of the Fourth Root Race of the Fourth Round was passed.”     (SD I 106)

The ‘Spiritual primeval INTELLIGENCES’ are ‘us’, i.e. us as Monads on the ‘journey’ of evolution. Collectively, these monads are the ‘heavenly man.’  What I understand the Secret Doctrine to mean by the term ‘Humanity’ is that it is a term made to apply to ‘those Intelligences that have reached the appropriate equilibrium between matter and spirit’ in any Round or Chain of development on any planet in our Solar system, and probably beyond. 

Therefore the Moon Chain of globes would have had its own humanity - i.e. those monads that had reached the “appropriate equilibrium” in that particular grand cycle.  Hence they ‘rebecome’ the humanity of our Earth chain of globes.   “Appropriate’ seems to be the key word here, suggesting that while the equilibrium between spirit and matter is something all Humanities of any worlds have in common that does not mean that all humanities are identical.

The great cycles of ‘being and becoming’ lead each Humanity ever onwards to greater and greater ‘perfections’.  It seems that for any new development in each new chain, round or globe the monadic life wave has first to achieve yet a further ‘necessary equilibrium’ between matter and spirit relative to that particular cycle of development.  This is part of the evolutionary journey of what is called the descending arc of development and is said to take place at the mid point of the cycle, after which the ‘ascending arc’ takes over.  

Once this equilibrium is established at the very lowest point of the whole cycle - the only point where matter and spirit can reach full equilibrium - then the life wave of monads can be said to have achieved the full human stage for that particular great cycle. From that point it can make some further development, releasing powers and further potentials of ’spirit’ latent within the Monad and which can be developed as the great cycle turns as a whole on the upward arc where ‘spirit’ has ascendency once more over matter.  Then a new adjustment of equilibrium and new developments is again required in the next succeeding chain and so on.

Apologies for repetition.  This is just my understanding, so feel free to correct or improve.

Over to you, for the other Debashree's other questions Pierre - :-)

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 19, 2014 at 1:44pm
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Hi Debashree,

Here's a real brief, sketchy response, if this is any help -

2) do the heavenly men become the mineral , vegetable, animal only from  B, C etc.(that is why the term 'rebecomes ' is used ?

Not exactly- the heavenly men are human monads, the first class (the fastest ones) evolve as prototypical human forms from the beginning of globe B (you could say maybe that they go through mineral, vegetable, animal phases by analogy, but in a human form, albeit very ethereal).

4) what exactly is the difference between the 1st round and the succeeding rounds.

The difference is mainly in terms of monadic evolution. (There is also the more general cosmic evolution). It is only on globe A, in order to initiate the manifestation process, so to speak, that the human monad has to pass through mineral, vegetable, and animal existences. The ones that reach the human stage on globe A, continue on the human line of evolution for the remainder of the other globes (i.e. they no longer have to go through mineral, vegetable, or animal existences).

For a fuller explanation, here is another text:

http://www.philaletheians.co.uk/Study%20notes/Blavatsky%20Speaks/Bl...

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 19, 2014 at 6:00pm
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Debashree, I think Peter and Casady have done a good job giving some more explanations to your further questions. I will just add a few more things to consider.

2) do the heavenly men become the mineral , vegetable, animal only from  B, C etc.(that is why the term 'rebecomes ' is used?

Your question relates to the statement on p.159: "It is only during the 1st round that (heavenly) man becomes a human being on globe A (rebecomes) a mineral, a plant, an animal, on globe B and C, etc."

The monads or life wave starting on globe A run consecutively through the lower kingdoms, but it is only the 1st hierarchy that reaches the human (7th) stage, the 2nd hierarchy only makes it to the animal kingdom, the 3rd hierarchy only to the vegetable kingdom, the 4th only to the mineral and so on, all of this on globe A in the first round (don't mistake globes for planetary rounds!). As they repeat this process over and over again on every globe in the 1st round it bears out why HPB says "rebecomes". All of this in the 1st round from globe A to globe G. Each hierarchy just repeats on every globe in the 1st round the process of the previous globe, each globe being a subdivision of the "fire" substance represented by the 1st round. From globe A to D (involution), the monads go through denser and denser substance (as subdivisions of fire), from globe D to G (evolution) the substance etherealizes again.

"then on globe A who is the mineral , vegetable etc..?"

That which WE call substance through which the hierarchies of monads work is in itself also monadic, but monads in a lower state of development. You can call them monads, lives, elementals, atoms, or devas, just names indicating different levels of intelligence, function, processes, forms, perceptions for what we call substance. When we look at matter we're actually looking at consciousness in a very dense degree, therefore we call it substance or matter, although matter ought to be applied as HPB says to "the aggregate of objects of possible perception, and substance to noumena" (see SD I:329). These noumena are the previously mentioned monads, lives, elementals and so forth. Remember that spirit and matter are one. When we "look" at "empty" space we perceive etherealized matter which we can call consciousness if you like :-) Virtually everything without exception that HPB is discussing in our philosophy is relative to our point of perception. In REALITY there is no such thing as spirit and matter per se (because they are not independent realities), they are convenient terms for us to distinguish between motion (consciousness) and objects (matter) because our present consciousness is subject to duality. What we call matter is the paint or varnish on substance as a result of perceiving through our limited senses creating the illusion of form.

Bear in mind that the monad itself (per se) doesn't become a mineral, vegetable, animal, even a human. The monad is and always will be be a monad - the power to move, evolve, think, feel, create, etc. (absolute potentiality if you like), but by going through the kingdoms this infinite potentiality (what we call monads) evolve step by step better and better vehicles for their own potentialities to express themselves through while at the same time elevating lesser developed intelligences (potentialities) to move up the ladder.

"3) Who are the heavenly men?

the heavenly men are the monads "circulating" through the lower kingdoms as representatives or manifestation of the Heavenly Man. Remember from the first line of the 3rd Fundamental (p.17) "The fundamental identity of all Souls with the Universal Oversoul, the latter being itself an aspect of the Unknown Root". This Oversoul is in a very general sense the Heavenly Man.

From SD I:110:

"Simultaneously with the evolution of the Universal Mind, the concealed Wisdom of Adi-Buddha — the One Supreme and eternal — manifests itself as Avalôkitêshwara (or manifested Iswara), which is the Osiris of the Egyptians, the Ahura-Mazda of the Zoroastrians, the Heavenly Man of the Hermetic philosopher, the Logos of the Platonists, and the Atman of the Vedantins."

And from the Glossary p.138, the Heavenly Adam is the Heavenly Man.

"Heavenly Adam. The synthesis of the Sephirothal Tree, or of all the Forces in Nature and their informing deific essence. In the diagrams, the Seventh of the lower Sephiroth, Sephira Malkhooth—the Kingdom of Harmony—represents the feet of the ideal Macrocosm, whose head reaches to the first manifested Head. This Heavenly Adam is the natura naturans, the abstract world, while the Adam of Earth (Humanity) is the natura naturata or the material universe. The former is the presence of Deity in its universal essence; the latter the manifestation of the intelligence of that essence."

Thus, the Heavenly Man is the first manifested head (Sephira), the apex of the triangle in the diagram on p. 200, also the abstract world, the presence of Deity in its universal essence. Also Maha-Buddhi or the second logos. It is the manifested aspect of the 1st logos which is the unmanifested aspect of the second logos. If all this sounds confusing just be persistent in your study :-) There are no less than 22 references to the Heavenly Man in Volume I of the SD each of which carries a paradox for us to work through.

4) what exactly is the difference between the 1st round and the succeeding rounds?

Apart from what is mentioned in the SD: "but you have learned prudence . . . and I advise you to say nothing before the time for saying it has come. . .". Peter and Casady have filled in what we know of pretty well, the only thing I can add perhaps is that the first round represents the tilling of the field so to speak and the planting of the seeds, then from the 2nd round on, the monadic sowing begins to grow and bear fruit until the monads become self-conscious on this plane, our globe D in the 4th round and have to evolve further through self-devised and self-induced effort. The reaching of the human stage is in itself only the highest point of what HPB calls subnatural evolution, the real evolution is only about to start! (see SD I:177):

"Therefore it becomes evident why that which is pertinently called in Esoteric Buddhism "Wave of Evolution," and mineral-, vegetable-, animal- and man-"impulse," stops at the door of our Globe, at its Fourth cycle or Round. It is at this point that the Cosmic Monad (Buddhi) will be wedded to and become the vehicle of the Atmic Ray, i.e., it (Buddhi) will awaken to an apperception of it (Atman); and thus enter on the first step of a new septenary ladder of evolution, which will lead it eventually to the tenth (counting from the lowest upwards) of the Sephirothal tree, the Crown.",

which is the Heavenly Man!

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 19, 2014 at 10:59pm
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Thanks a lot Peter , Casady and Pierre.... I am able to understand it a better now.

OK... now I will explain and please tell me if I have understood it right or where I am going wrong.

The highest evolved monads of the moon chain (not those who have reached the Dhyan Chohan stage but below them ) become humans in the first round on globe A. Next ...less evolved become animals ... next less evolved become vegetables etc... 
All this is exactly repeated in the subsequent globes .....'of the first round '. This is done for building up the basic plan of all the kingdoms and keeping a kind of framework ready for the subsequent rounds. In short .. whatever is done on globe A of the first round is repeated on all the globes and that is why the word 'rebecomes ' is used.
As Pierre says..."from the 2nd round on, the monadic sowing begins to grow and bear fruit until the monads become self-conscious on this plane, our globe D in the 4th round and have to evolve further through self-devised and self-induced effort".

Pierre... what I have understood .. according to you ... the ones that reach human stage on globe A do not go through the animal, vegetable etc on globe A. ..(as Casady says ). Monads of each hierarchy just repeat their same kingdom evolution on all the globes of the first round.

But Casady you have said ....
It is only on globe A, in order to initiate the manifestation process, so to speak, that the human monad has to pass through mineral, vegetable, and animal existences. The ones that reach the human stage on globe A, continue on the human line of evolution for the remainder of the other globes (i.e. they no longer have to go through mineral, vegetable, or animal existences).
Casady....... then why is the term 'rebecomes' a mineral , a plant on globe B etc used ..?

How do I reconcile the above two statements..?

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 20, 2014 at 10:47am
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The 'rebecomes' in the sentence is actually quite vague - there's a comma, and it's quoting a previous letter, so I'd have to check - but it is theoretically possible to rebecome a plant, for example, on globe B, if the monad has not gone further than that on globe A - there is a cutoff point at the fourth round where one can reach the human stage - so there are 7 groups of monads at various stages of development in the mineral, vegetable, animal and humans kingdoms across the first three globes.

In short - the monads who have reached the human stage don't rebecome mineral, vegetables, or animals, but the ones who have not reached the human stage can rebecome mineral, vegetable or animal in the 2nd and 3rd globes until they reach the human stage...

Permalink Reply by Peter on June 21, 2014 at 3:17am
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Just by way of further information - it might be useful to keep in mind that HPB distinguishes between the Seven Kingdoms of Nature and the Seven Classes or Hierarchies of Human Monads.

SEVEN KINGDOMS OF NATURE

“There are seven kingdoms. The first group comprises three degrees of elementals, or nascent centres of forces – from the first stage of differentiation of (from) Mulaprakriti (or rather Pradhana, primordial homogeneous matter) to its third degree – i.e., from full unconsciousness to semi-perception; the second or higher group embraces the kingdoms from vegetable to man; the mineral kingdom thus forming the central or turning point in the degrees of the” Monadic Essence,“ considered as an evoluting energy. Three stages (sub-physical) on the elemental side; the mineral kingdom; three stages on the objective physical side – these are the (first or preliminary) seven links of the evolutionary chain.”  (SD I 176)

SEVEN CLASSES OR HIERARCHIES OF HUMAN MONADS.

These are the monads HPB refers to in SD I 171, when discussing the transfer of Monads from the Lunar to the Earth Chain:

“Now, it must be remembered that the Monads cycling round any septenary chain are divided into seven classes or hierarchies according to their respective stages of evolution, consciousness, and merit. Let us follow, then, the order of their appearance on planet A, in the first Round. The time-spaces between the appearances of these hierarchies on anyone Globe are so adjusted that when Class 7, the last, appears on Globe A, Class I, the first, has just passed on to Globe B, and so on, step by step, all round the chain.”  (SD I 171)

Confirmation that HPB is talking about Human Monads here and not the seven kingdoms is found in SD Dialogues:

Mr. B. Keightley: Question 2, page 171, last paragraph [reference to passage in the SD]. What are the seven classes of monads here mentioned? Are they simply the mineral, vegetable, animal, etc? Can you give them seven distinctive names by which we may refer to them afterwards in the order of their appearance on a chain of globes?

Mme. Blavatsky: The seven classes referred to here are the seven classes of Lunar Pitris or fathers, all of which have reached the human stage of development on the lunar chain. They are therefore not the monads, or rather elementals, of the seven kingdoms of nature, but are the subdivisions of what we may term the lunar mankind—the (lunar lunatics).

 (SD Dialogues 465)

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 21, 2014 at 7:29am
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Hi Peter .... I need an explanation of a continuation of a part of what you have posted here on pg 176 ... I have posted it down... could you help me..?

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 20, 2014 at 11:08am
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Hi Debashree,

this is what HPB says on p.174:

"1. The most developed Monads (the Lunar Gods or "Spirits," called, in India, the Pitris), whose function it is to pass in the first Round through the whole triple cycle of the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms in their most ethereal, filmy, and rudimentary forms, in order to clothe themselves in, and assimilate, the nature of the newly formed chain. They are those who first reach the human form (if there can be any form in the realm of the almost subjective) on Globe A in the first Round."

"in the first Round through the whole triple cycle of the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms in their most ethereal, filmy, and rudimentary forms…"

The way I understand it is that in the 1st round the 1st hierarchy goes through ALL the kingdoms on every globe in order to clothe themselves in, and assimilate the nature of the newly formed chain. During the 1st round there is as yet no developed substance on the globes to provide them with a human form and as HPB says "(if there can be any form in the realm of the almost subjective)" - a capacity they had reached on the previous moon chain - but they need a relatively developed substance to clothe themselves in, a substance which they have to generate before being able to take up a "human" form again on every subsequent globe in the 1st round.

And on p.180: "

The "Lunar Monads" or Pitris, the ancestors of man, become in reality man himself. They are the "Monads" who enter on the cycle of evolution on Globe A, and who, passing round the chain of planets, evolve the human form as has just been shown.

"chain of planets" meaning globes - sometimes the word planets is used instead of globes as can also be seen in the Mahatma Letters, the terminology wasn't set in stone. So they have to develop the human form on every globe throughout the 1st round. The same is true for the subsequent hierarchies and so the 2nd hierarchy succeeds in doing this at the beginning of the 2nd round, the 3rd at the beginning of the 3rd round and the 4th at the beginning of the 4th round.

I'm sure Casady will throw in his 2 cents as well :-)

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 21, 2014 at 7:09am
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Thanks everyone....I think I have got it...:) :) :)

Permalink Reply by Gerry Kiffe on June 25, 2014 at 11:20pm
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Ok then explain it to the rest of us who are struggling to keep up with you.  Can you summarize your insight into this subject using your own words?  How about just the essence of it.  It is an invitation not a test.

Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on June 9, 2014 at 10:54pm
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From the Section Planes of Consciousness  SD book i  pages 166-167

Unless less trouble is taken to reconcile the irreconcileable—that is to say, the metaphysical and spiritual sciences with physical or natural philosophy, 'natural' being a synonym to them (men of science) of that matter which falls under the perception of their corporeal senses—no progress can be really achieved. Our Globe, as taught from the first, is at the bottom of the arc of descent, where the matter of our perceptions exhibits itself in its grossest form. . . . . . . Hence it only stands to reason that the globes which overshadow our Earth must be on different and superior planes. In short, as Globes, they are in CO-ADUNITION but not IN CONSUBSTANTIALITY WITH OUR EARTH and thus pertain to quite another state of consciousness. Our planet (like all those we see) is adapted to the peculiar state of its human stock, that state which enables us to see with our naked eye the sidereal bodies which are co-essential with our terrene plane and substance, just as their respective inhabitants, the Jovians, Martians and others can perceive our little world: because our planes of consciousness, differing as they do in degree but being the same in kind, are on the same layer of differentiated matter. . . . . What I wrote was 'The minor Pralaya concerns only our little STRINGS OF GLOBES.' (We called chains 'Strings' in those days of lip-confusion.) . . . 'To such a string our Earth belongs.' This ought to have shown plainly that the other planets were also 'strings' or CHAINS. . . If he (meaning the objector) would perceive even the dim silhouette of one of such 'planets' on the higher planes, he has to first throw off even the thin clouds of the astral matter that stands between him and the next plane. . . . ."

It becomes patent why we could not perceive, even with the help of the best earthly telescopes, that which is outside our world of matter. Those alone, whom we call adepts, who know how to direct their mental vision and to transfer their consciousness—physical and psychic both— to other planes of being are able to speak with authority on such subjects. And they tell us plainly: -

"Lead the life necessary for the acquisition of such knowledge and powers, and Wisdom will come to you naturally. Whenever your are able to attune your consciousness to any of the seven chords of 'Universal Consciousness,' those chords that run along the sounding-board of Kosmos, vibrating from one Eternity to another; when you have studied thoroughly 'the music of the Spheres,' then only will you become quite free to share your knowledge with those with whom it is safe to do so. Meanwhile, be prudent. Do not give out the great Truths that are the inheritance of the future Races, to our present generation. Do not attempt to unveil the secret of being and non-being to those unable to see the hidden meaning of Apollo's HEPTACHORD—the lyre of the radiant god, in each of the seven strings of which dwelleth the Spirit, Soul and Astral body of the Kosmos, whose shell only has now fallen into the hands of Modern Science. . . . . . Be prudent, we say, prudent and wise, and above all take care what those who learn from you believe in; lest by deceiving themselves they deceive others . . . . . for such is the fate of every truth with which men are, as yet, unfamiliar. . . . Let rather the planetary chains and other super- and sub-cosmic mysteries remain a dreamland for those who can neither see, nor yet believe that others can. . . ."

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 10, 2014 at 12:50pm
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Although the SD I pp. 150-190 covers the Chains, Rounds, Globes concepts very well, here's a few extra resources that may help:

http://www.theosophical.ca/books/TheosophicalGleanings_TwoStudents.pdf (parts 1 & 2 - note HPB's very good article at the end).

http://www.theosophical.ca/books/EsotericBuddhism_APSinnett.pdf (Chapters 3 & 4)

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-con.htm#s2 (letters 13-15)

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Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on June 13, 2014 at 10:52pm
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Diagram from SD book i page 172

Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on June 13, 2014 at 10:55pm
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From the Section called: Globes and Monads  SD book i page 170-175

To make things plainer, without touching upon the mathematical aspects of the doctrine, the teaching given may be expanded and some obscure points solved. As the evolution of the Globes and that of the Monads are so closely interblended, we will make of the two teachings one. In reference to the Monads, the reader is asked to bear in mind that Eastern philosophy rejects the Western theological dogma of a newly-created soul for every baby born, as being as unphilosophical as it is impossible in the economy of Nature. There must be a limited number of Monads evolving and growing more and more perfect through their assimilation of many successive personalities, in every new Manvantara. This is absolutely necessary in view of the doctrines of Rebirth, Karma, and the gradual return of the human Monad to its source—absolute Deity. Thus, although the hosts of more or less progressed Monads are almost incalculable, they are still finite, as is everything in this Universe of differentiation and finiteness.

As shown in the double diagram of the human "principles" and the ascending Globes of the world-chains, there is an eternal concatenation of causes and effects, and a perfect analogy which runs through, and links together, all the lines of evolution. One begets the other—globes as personalities. But, let us begin at the beginning.

The general outline of the process by which the successive planetary chains are formed has just been given. To prevent future misconceptions, some further details may be offered which will also throw light on the history of humanity on our own chain, the progeny of that of the Moon.

In the diagrams on p. 172, Fig. 1 represents the "lunar-chain" of seven planets at the outset of its seventh or last Round; while Fig. 2 represents the "earth-chain" which will be, but is not yet in existence. The seven Globes of each chain are distinguished in their cyclic order by the letters A to G, the Globes of the Earth-chain being further marked by a cross—+—the symbol of the Earth.

Now, it must be remembered that the Monads cycling round any septenary chain are divided into seven classes or hierarchies according to their respective stages of evolution, consciousness, and merit. Let us follow, then, the order of their appearance on planet A, in the first Round. The time-spaces between the appearances of these hierarchies on any one Globe are so adjusted that when Class 7, the last, appears on Globe A, Class 1, the first, has just passed on to Globe B, and so on, step by step, all round the chain.

(See previous post for diagram)

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 21, 2014 at 7:25am
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On page 176 the following is given

""Preliminary" because they are preparatory, and though belonging in fact to the natural, they yet would be more correctly described as sub-natural evolution. This process makes a halt in its stages at the Third, at the threshold of the Fourth stage, when it becomes, on the plane of the natural evolution, the first really manward stage, thus forming with the three elemental kingdoms, the ten, the Sephirothal number. "

Can someone explain the last line to me... "thus forming with the three elemental kingdoms, the ten, the Sephirothal number....."
Does the number ten include the 3 Dhyan Chohanic classes..? If not then how does it come to number ten ?

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 21, 2014 at 12:52pm
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Hi Debashree,

explaining is asking for a lot :-) I would suggest we ponder the subjects presented in the SD as a whole and try to help each other out with suggestions, hints, pointers, etc., we are all students to one another and do what we can.

So, a possible suggestion or approach is to look at the "preliminary" or "preparatory" kingdoms, i.e. from the 1st elemental all the way up to the human kingdom (the 7th) as the sub-natural stage to higher realms of the expression of consciousness and (ethereal) substance or vehicles. So if the human kingdom is the highest of the sub-natural, this will be followed again by 3 elemental stages (if not 7!) perhaps even in reverse but on higher planes. These 3 elemental stages could then correspond with Higher Manas, Buddhi and Atma. So 7 sub-natural and 3 higher (the really natural) is together 10.

If you look at the diagram on SD I:200 as representing the heavenly man in its complete manifested representation, then you can look upon the 7 "globes" as stages of 7 sub-natural kingdoms on the rupa (form) planes and the triangle on the arupa as CORRESPONDING with Atma-Buddhi-Manas, in total the 10 sephiroth of the kabalistic tree. Atma-Buddhi-Manas corresponding with Kether-Chokmah-Binah. In fact that triangle does represent Atma-Buddhi-Manas as one in its potentiality, they become distinct (but not separated) principles when they manifest. Everything that exist in the manifested world already exists as a potentiality in the unmanifested realms, an occult axiom - As Above so Below, as Below so Above.

Globe A, B and C correspond then with the 1st, 2nd and 3rd elemental kingdom, our globe D with the mineral, E with the vegetable, F with the animal, G with the human, because it will be only on globe G (in every round) that we become truly (spiritually) human in the sub-natural state. Beyond that we'll identify again with the divine heavenly man who's head is Kether.

Remember that correspondence does not mean necessarily identical, and keep in mind the formula that HPB refers to in SD I: 20-21, it's the key to the SD!

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 21, 2014 at 10:15pm
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Yes ... up to globe G we have the 7 kingdoms...

Purucker says that above the human kingdom there are 3 classes of Dhyan Chohans who are part of the evolution ( life waves ) going  round the Planetary Chain.. This is what I am referring to  when I asked that ...is it these 3 classes of Dhyan Chohans who add up to the number 10 which is being mentioned in the lines I quoted ..?

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 23, 2014 at 8:22am
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Hi Debashree,

that there are (at least) 3 higher degrees above the human kingdom or sub-natural evolution has been already indicated by HPB. GdP saying that these are Dhyan Chohanic stages - although correct in principle - can be misleading and doesn't add anything to our understanding because you might think that the lower ones are not Dhyan Chohanic, whereas this statement from SD I:265 gives us a different picture:

"Withal, the Monad of every living being, unless his moral turpitude breaks the connection and runs loose and "astray into the lunar path"—to use the Occult expression—is an individual Dhyan Chohan, distinct from others, a kind of spiritual individuality of its own, during one special Manvantara."

In other words, every stage of development in the lower kingdoms can also be called Dhyan Chohanic, because the monad in itself is by definition a Dhyan Chohan (a "Lord of Light" or of "Meditation") during its pilgrimage.

If we would indicate these 3 higher stages as corresponding with Higher Manas, Buddhi and Atma for example, it would in a certain sense tell us more because a) they are distinct stages and b) we have some idea at least of what Higher Mind, Spiritual Soul and Spirit indicate as compared to Dhyan Chohan - at least it makes it more clear to my mind :-)

Hope this helps.

Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 23, 2014 at 10:32pm
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Thanks Pierre ... I am getting the difference now... :) :) :)

Permalink Reply by ModeratorTN on June 18, 2014 at 10:24am
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From the Section entitled: The Lunar Monads  SD book i pages: 179-181

What, it may be asked, are the "Lunar Monads," just spoken of? The description of the seven classes of Pitris will come later, but now some general explanations may be given. It must be plain to everyone that they are Monads, who, having ended their life-cycle on the lunar chain, which is inferior to the terrestrial chain, have incarnated on this one. But there are some further details which may be added, though they border too closely on forbidden ground to be treated of fully. The last word of the mystery is divulged only to the adepts, but it may be stated that our satellite is only the gross body of its invisible principles. Seeing then that there are 7 Earths, so there are 7 Moons, the last one alone being visible; the same for the Sun, whose visible body is called a Maya, a reflection, just as man's body is. "The real Sun and the real Moon are as invisible as the real man," says an occult maxim.

And it may be remarked en passant that those ancients were not so foolish after all who first started the idea of "the seven moons." For thought this conception is now taken solely as an astronomical measure of time, in a very materialised form, yet underlying the husk there can still be recognised the traces of a profoundly philosophical idea.

In reality the Moon is only the satellite of the Earth in one respect, viz., that physically the Moon revolves round the Earth. But in every other respect it is the Earth which is the satellite of the Moon, and not vice versa. Startling as the statement may seem it is not without confirmation from scientific knowledge. It is evidenced by the tides, by the cyclic changes in many forms of disease which coincide with the lunar phases; it can be traced in the growth of plants, and is very marked in the phenomena of human gestation and conception. The importance of the Moon and its influence on the Earth were recognized in every ancient religion, notably the Jewish, and have been remarked by many observers of psychical and physical phenomena. But, so far as Science knows, the Earth's action on the Moon is confined to the physical attraction, which causes her to circle in her orbit. And should an objector insist that this fact alone is sufficient evidence that the Moon is truly the Earth's satellite on other planes of action, one may reply by asking whether a mother, who walks round and round her child's cradle keeping watch over the infant, is the subordinate of her child or dependent upon it; though in one sense she is its satellite, yet she is certainly older and more fully developed than the child she watches.

It is, then, the Moon that plays the largest and most important part, as well in the formation of the Earth itself, as in the peopling thereof with human beings. The "Lunar Monads" or Pitris, the ancestors of man, become in reality man himself. They are the "Monads" who enter on the cycle of evolution on Globe A, and who, passing round the chain of planets, evolve the human form as has just been shown. At the beginning of the human stage of the Fourth Round on this Globe, they "ooze out" their astral doubles from the "ape-like" forms which they had evolved in Round III. And it is this subtle, finer form, which serves as the model round which Nature builds physical man. These "Monads" or "divine sparks" are thus the "Lunar" ancestors, the Pitris themselves. For these "Lunar Spirits" have to become "Men" in order that their "Monads" may reach a higher plane of activity and self-consciousness, i.e., the plane of the Manasa-Putras, those who endow the "senseless" shells, created and informed by the Pitris, with "mind" in the latter part of the Third Root-Race.

In the same way the "Monads" or Egos of the men of the seventh Round of our Earth, after our own Globes A, B, C, D, et seq., parting with their life-energy, will have informed and thereby called to life other laya-centres destined to live and act on a still higher plane of being—in the same way will the Terrene "Ancestors" create those who will become their superiors.

Permalink Reply by Peter on June 20, 2014 at 12:55pm
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Apologies if you received this in your mail box more than once.  I've had a few technical problems posting this message.  Sorry 

I have a few general questions on this which have left me pondering whenever I look at these sections of the SD.  

HPB tells us that the seven classes/hierarchies of Lunar Monads had all achieved human development during the lunar chain.  As they pass over to the Earth Chain, HPB states:

“Now, it must be remembered that the Monads cycling round any septenary chain are divided into seven classes or hierarchies according to their respective stages of evolution, consciousness, and merit. Let us follow, then, the order of their appearance on planet A, in the first Round. The time-spaces between the appearances of these hierarchies on anyone Globe are so adjusted that when Class 7, the last, appears on Globe A, Class I, the first, has just passed on to Globe B, and so on, step by step, all round the chain.”  (SD I 171)

And…

“Further, when Globe A of the new chain is ready, the first class or Hierarchy of Monads from the Lunar chain incarnate upon it in the lowest kingdom, and so on successively. The result of this is, that it is only the first class of Monads which attains the human state of development during the first Round, since the second class, on each planet, arriving later, has not time to reach that stage. Thus the Monads of Class 2 reach the incipient human stage only in the Second Round, and so on up to the middle of the Fourth Round.” (SD I 173)

What is the timing that HPB is referring to here?  What exactly is it about the timing that means the second to seventh classes of Monads don’t reach the human stage in the first round, given that all the classes will follow on the same journey as the first class?  If the same pattern of timing as described by HPB operates in Round 2 and 3 and so on, why would these Rounds be any different as far as the other classes reaching the human stage?

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on June 21, 2014 at 9:50am
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Good point there Peter,

I've been scratching my head over some of your questions as well. There are also some inconsistencies with statements in other places such as the Mahatma Letters or the SD-Dialogues.

For instance in SD I:174 it says that the Lunar Gods or Pitris (the most developed Monads) of the 1st Class are those who first reach the human form. In other places, including your ref to the SD-Dialogues) it says: "The seven classes referred to here are the seven classes of Lunar Pitris or fathers, all of which have reached the human stage of development on the lunar chain.". So here, all the human monads coming from the moon are referred to as Lunar Pitris (where they have indeed reached the human stage).

Sometimes (at least that's what I gather from the ML and some statements by WQJ) the monads seem to go through ALL the kingdoms - including the 3 elemental kingdoms preceding the mineral and sometimes it seems as if they only start off in the mineral kingdom.

Here's an example to the lowest kingdom: SD I:173: "Further, when Globe A of the new chain is ready, the first class or Hierarchy of Monads from the Lunar chain incarnate upon it in the lowest kingdom, and so on successively. The result of this is, that it is only the first class of Monads which attains the human state of development during the first Round, since the second class, on each planet, arriving later, has not time to reach that stage. Thus the Monads of Class 2 reach the incipient human stage only in the Second Round, and so on up to the middle of the Fourth Round."

But here it's apparently different SD I:174: 

“The most developed Monads (the Lunar Gods or "Spirits," called, in India, the Pitris), whose function it is to pass in the first Round through the whole triple cycle of the mineral, vegetable, and animal kingdoms in their most ethereal, filmy, and rudimentary forms”

Given that they do start off in the 1st elemental kingdom (which is btw, the plane of globe A anyway, which globe corresponds with Buddhi and which also corresponds with Prakriti) the sequence seems to be as follows:

Hierarchy 1 (the 1st and highest) goes through all the kingdoms on globe A up to the human state.

Hierarchy 2 up to the animal (doesn't reach the human due to lack of time), H 3 up to the vegetable, H 4 up to the mineral and H 5, 6 & 7 respectively only enter into Elemental 1, 2 & 3.

This is repeated on all the other globes in the 1st round. Then in round 2, Hierarchy 2 also reaches the human kingdom, H 3 reaches now the animal, H4 the vegetable, H 5 the mineral, H 6 the 3rd elemental and H 7 the 2nd elemental kingdom so that at the beginning of round 4 Hierarchy 1 to 4 are all in the human stage, 5 in the animal, 6 in the vegetable and 7 in the mineral.

However, there are indications that ALL the human monads (that reached the human stage on the moon) have at least reached the mammal animal stage SD I:184: "no units of either of the kingdoms are animated any longer by monads destined to become human in their next stage, but only by the lower Elementals of their respective realms.”

Lower elementals are obviously also monads but whom had not reached the human stage on the moon. SD I:184fn†: " These "Elementals" will become human Monads, in their turn, only at the next great planetary Manvantara."

As to the timing there seems to be something odd in the division of the kingdoms vs the monads themselves. If there are 7 kingdoms and 7 hierarchies of monads, then when the 1st hierarchy reaches the human kingdom (say on globe A) then the 7th hierarchy enters the 1st elemental kingdom on globe A as well when the 1st hierarchy is still on globe A! Yet it is said that when the last hierarchy enters upon any globe, the first hierarchy already moves over to the next globe.

A possible solution might exist in the idea that just as there are sandhyas (twilights) between the globes as between the root races, it is possible that these sandhyas also apply to the transitions of the monads moving from one kingdom into the next. That would extend the time frame to 8 instead of 7 parts (if you can follow my drift :-) and then the 1st hierarchy would indeed enter on a new globe when the last one just enters the previous one because the time frame of all the sandhyas together on one globe would add up to the length of one hierarchy. Hope you're still with me :-)

Although the process alters beginning with the 2nd round, it could be that the process in itself has nothing to do with the time frame (the sequence they follow as such) but rather with what happens to the monads within that sequence. SD I:184: "As shown, the MONAD had passed through, journeyed and been imprisoned in, every transitional form throughout every kingdom of nature during the three preceding Rounds."

and SD II:186: "the MONAD has, during the cycle of its incarnations, to reflect in itself every root-form of each kingdom. Therefore, the Kabalists say correctly that "MAN becomes a stone, a plant, an animal, a man, a Spirit, and finally God. Thus accomplishing his cycle or circuit and returning to the point from which he had started as the heavenly MAN."

This needs further investigation with the little that we have to go on.

Another thing we have to keep in mind is obviously the fact that time as we experience it is not applicable to this whole process of evolution let alone our linear perception of things. As HPB points out in SD II:81: “To some extent, it is admitted that even the esoteric teaching is allegorical”.

Yours or anyone else's thoughts?

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 21, 2014 at 10:48am
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Just a few more notes:

Here's the original passage from the SD that Debashree referred to (see 29):

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-23b.htm

WQJ, gives a pretty decent overview of the early chain process:

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/ocean/oce-3.htm

The stream or mass of Egos which evolves on the seven globes of our chain is limited in number, yet the actual quantity is enormous. For though the universe is limitless and infinite, yet in any particular portion of Cosmos in which manifestation and evolution have begun there is a limit to the extent of manifestation and to the number of Egos engaged therein. And the whole number of Monads now going through evolution on our Earth Chain came over from the old seven planets or globes which I have described. Esoteric Buddhism calls this mass of Egos a "life wave," meaning the stream of Monads. It reached this planetary mass, represented to our consciousness by the central point our Earth, and began on Globe A or No. I, coming like an army or river. The first portion began on Globe A and went through a long evolution there in bodies suited to such a state of matter, and then passed on to B, and so on through the whole seven greater states of consciousness which have been called globes. When the first portion left A others streamed in and pursued the same course, the whole army proceeding with regularity round the septenary route.

Also, on the difference between the 1st and 2nd rounds, he notes:

''In the process of condensing above referred to there is an alteration in respect to the time of the appearance of man on the planet. But as to these details the teachers have only said, "that at the Second Round the plan varies, but the variation will not be given to this generation." Hence it is impossible for me to give it.''

And here's a chart from Theosophical Gleanings, part 3:

CHART OF ROUND ONE
Lunar
Pitris
Globe A
Globe B
Globe C
Globe D
Globe E
Globe F
Glob G
1
Man 1
Man 2
Man 3
Man 4
Man 5
Man 6
Man 7
2
Animal
Animal 6 
Man 1
Animal 5
Man2
Animal 4
Man 3
Animal 3
Man 4
Animal 2 
Man 5
Animal 1
Man 6
3
Vegetable
Veget.6
Animal 1
Veget. 5
Animal 2
Veget. 4
Animal 3
Veget.3
Animal 4
Veget.2
Animal 5
Veget. 1
Animal 6
4
Mineral
Mineral 6
Veget.1
Mineral 5
Veget.2
Mineral 4
Veget. 3
Mineral 3
Veget.4
Mineral 2 
Veget. 5
Mineral 1
Veget. 6
5
HigherElementaL
H.E. 6
Mineral 1
H.E. 5
Mineral 2
H.E.4
Mineral 3
H.E.3
Mineral 4
H.E. 2
Mineral 5
H.E.1
Mineral 6
6
MiddleElemental
M.E. 6
H.E. 1
M.E.5
H.E. 2
M.E. 4
H.E. 3
M.E.3
H.E. 4
M.E.2
H.E.5
M.E.1
H.E. 6
7
LowerElemental
L.E.6
M.E.1
L.E. 5
M.E.2
L.E.4
M.E. 3
L.E.3
M.E.4
L.E.2
M.E.5
L.E.1
M.E.6
Permalink Reply by Peter on June 22, 2014 at 10:00am
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Thanks, Pierre - it’s at least good to know that I’m scratching my head in good company.  Thanks also for posting that chart, Cassidy, from the ‘gleanings’ of two theosophists.

I think you brought it all together, along with the seeming discrepancies, far better than I could have done, Pierre.  There’s still much further investigation that needs to be done, as you rightly say.

Just when we think a coherent sequential pattern of development has emerged there’s always the odd passage that throws a spanner in the works and leads us to rethink it again.  An example is the passage you gave us from SD I 184   “…no units of either of the kingdoms are animated any longer by monads destined to become human in their next stage, but only by the lower Elementals of their respective realms.”

Perhaps another aspect to consider is that HPB focuses only, or largely, on the seven classes/hierarchies of Monads that had reach the human stage in the Lunar cycle and their passage around the Earth Chain.  What about those Monads that had reached the animal, vegetable and mineral stage etc in the Moon Chain?  They still have their own journey in the Earth chain.  Then there are the planetary spirits of their respective globes of the Moon Chain, which presumably are instrumental in creating the laya centre’s for each globe of the Earth Chain around which the life waves of the Seven Kingdoms of Nature will assemble as the Life Wave of Monads moves from globe to globe.

Should we take it that it is the lower kingdoms of nature which are the first to ‘coalesce’ around the new laya centre of globe A in the new chain and then later globe B & so on.  In which case, is it possible that the Lunar Pitris ‘re-become’ the earlier kingdoms of nature only in the sense that they clothe themselves in those respective substances or essences? I mean this in the same sense that the incarnating Ego in any one lifetime ‘rebecomes’ the infant, the child, the youth etc - as we find in the seven ages of Man, by Shakespeare.  This would then distinguish, for example, between the elemental Monads gaining for the first time experience through the elemental kingdoms and onto mineral, vegetable etc.. and the ‘human’ monads from the earlier chain going through those kingdoms again so as to fulfil the role as fashioners of the human form.  At which point - i.e. 4th Round, 3rd Race - another hierarchy of Pitris comes on the scene. i.e the Manasa Pitris.

Just some off the top of my head thoughts, which basically don’t answer the timing questions(!!), but perhaps there’s a clue or two on these in the development of the races?

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Permalink Reply by Debashree Das on June 23, 2014 at 12:59am
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."...In which case, is it possible that the Lunar Pitris ‘re-become’ the earlier kingdoms of nature only in the sense that they clothe themselves in those respective substances or essences?.."

Yes .. I think this is what must be happening in the first round on each globe which makes it different form the subsequent rounds.They assimilate the matter and prepare the forms of all the kingdoms ( if anything that  can be called as forms ) in the first round . Next round onwards the monads of the various kingdoms just have to take up the forms already prepared and continue their evolution.

Permalink Reply by Casady on June 29, 2014 at 2:02pm
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A couple of notes, which might have been touched upon earlier:

In the Gleanings, part III it is remarked that:

"Once more after Pralaya comes Manvantaric dawn, and Globe C becomes the station of the Pilgrim. Here Class I passes swiftly from elemental up to potential human, and adds the third stage to those already acquired. And so on, through Globes D, E, F, G, until when Pralaya comes to Globe G, Class I has reached what we may call Germ-Humanity,[ 212/213] with a Rupa, however filmy and unsubstantial, the development of this First “Principle” or “Sheath” of Septenary man being the outcome of the First Round. And now, for Class I the experience of the sub human groups is complete. In no subsequent Round do these Monads traverse the sub-human kingdoms: they have finished with the elemental, the mineral, the vegetable, the animal kingdom, and henceforth their pilgrimage is only in the human."

So this passage could be understood to mean that the monad "rebecomes" mineral, vegetable, animal up to the third round.

From HPB CW14, p. 164, St-Cyprian of Antioch:

"When I was fifteen, my parents desired that I should be made acquainted, not only with all the natural laws in connection with the generation and corruption of bodies on earth, in the air and in the seas, but also with all the other forces grafted¶ (insitas) on these by the Prince of the World, in order to counteract their primal and divine constitution.**

¶ “Grafted” is the correct expression. “The seven Builders graft the divine and the beneficent forces on to the gross material nature of the vegetable and mineral kingdoms every Second Round”––says the Catechism of Lanoos."

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on July 1, 2014 at 6:02pm
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Good ref, interesting to pursue this further,

thanks Casady.

Permalink Reply by Casady on July 3, 2014 at 2:30pm
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Most welcome - I definitely learned a lot about the Chains and Rounds this past month -  I'll definitely need to have another pass at this material at one point.

"But for the attainment of your proposed object, viz. — for a clearer comprehension of the extremely abstruse and at first incomprehensible theories of our occult doctrine never allow the serenity of your mind to be disturbed during your hours of literary labour, nor before you set to work. It is upon the serene and placid surface of the unruffled mind that the visions gathered from the invisible find a representation in the visible world. Otherwise you would vainly seek those visions, those flashes of sudden light which have already helped to solve so many of the minor problems and which alone can bring the truth before the eye of the soul. It is with jealous care that we have to guard our mind-plane from all the adverse influences which daily arise in our passage through earth-life."

Mahatama letters 11

Permalink Reply by Pierre Wouters on July 1, 2014 at 7:02pm
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Your comment: "What about those Monads that had reached the animal, vegetable and mineral stage etc in the Moon Chain?  They still have their own journey in the Earth chain."

I would think they each constitute their own life wave but not much has been detailed. It is however said that the life waves of the lower kingdoms PRECEDE the human life wave on the earth chain:

SD I 175-176: "To return to "Esoteric Buddhism." It is there stated with regard to the enormous period intervening between the mineral epoch on Globe A, and the man-epoch, * that: "The full development of the mineral epoch on Globe A, prepares the way for the vegetable development, and, as soon as this begins, the mineral life-impulse overflows into Globe B. Then, when the vegetable development on Globe A is complete and the animal development begins, the vegetable life-impulse overflows to Globe B, and the mineral impulse passes on to Globe C. Then finally comes the human life-impulse on Globe A." (Page 49.)

And so it goes on for three Rounds, when it slackens, and finally stops at the threshold of our Globe, at the Fourth Round; because the human period (of the true physical men to be), the seventh, is now reached. This is evident, for as said, " . . . there are processes of evolution which precede the mineral kingdom, and thus a wave of evolution, indeed several waves of evolution, precede the mineral wave in its progress round the spheres" (ibid)."

Of course, if no lower kingdoms (especially the mineral and 3 preceding elementary kingdoms) would be present, the human life wave would find nothing in space to arrive on so to speak :-). Whatever that something may be that becomes attracted "around" a laya point in the 1st round on globe A. This process is something that takes place in a manifested homogeneous condition within the element Fire. Globe A and G as does the whole 1st round, represent prakriti in its primordial condition which would be homogeneous to us! An interesting paradox to improve upon the plasticity of our brain stuff :-)

Your comment: "Then there are the planetary spirits of their respective globes of the Moon Chain, which presumably are instrumental in creating the laya centre’s for each globe of the Earth Chain around which the life waves of the Seven Kingdoms of Nature will assemble as the Life Wave of Monads moves from globe to globe."

Could you elaborate Peter on "the planetary spirits of their respective globes of the Moon Chain, which presumably are instrumental in creating the laya centre’s for each globe of the Earth Chain". How do you conceptualize that statement and do you have a ref? No need to go into detail. Do you connect that with the statement in the SD that the One atom becomes 7?

For instance SD I:82 "Primordial matter, then, before it emerges from the plane of the never-manifesting, and awakens to the thrill of action under the impulse of Fohat, is but "a cool Radiance, colourless, formless, tasteless, and devoid of every quality and aspect." Even such are her first-born, the "four sons," who "are One, and become Seven," — the entities, by whose qualifications and names the ancient Eastern Occultists called the four of the seven primal "centres of Forces," or atoms, that develop later into the great Cosmic "Elements,""

Are you referring to the idea (which I think is most likely correct) that the 7 primordial hierarchies of Dhyan Chohans (that radiate 4-fold, then 7-fold from Mahat) constitute the principles of the earth chain represented by laya points? See also the diagram SDI:153

I actually never thought of it that way before although it would make sense seeing what is said in SDI:172: "and in dying it transfers successively, as just said, its "principles," or life-elements and energy, etc., one after the other to a new "laya-centre," which commences the formation of Globe A of the Earth Chain."

So what and how determines the "position" of those laya points other than the Dhyan Chohans? I imagine this to be a part of what is referred to as the cosmic plan for a new chain. We can ask ourselves the same question as to where the skandhas of a new personality will form in space represented by a new womb in a mother. There have to be 7 layapoints present within that womb to attract (karmically) the skandhas of the previous personality if the correspondence holds true (3 higher and 4 lower skandhas, one for each principle).

Your ref: "Should we take it that it is the lower kingdoms of nature which are the first to ‘coalesce’ around the new laya centre of globe A in the new chain and then later globe B & so on."

So yes, the preceding life waves as indicated in SDI:175-176. But their evolving into differentiated species (in each respective kingdom) has to be done by the human monads moving through those kingdoms in their primordial condition.

As to the rest of your comment I would be inclined to think that that is indeed the process.

Permalink Reply by Peter on July 4, 2014 at 2:41am
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Hi Pierre,

Thanks for the response.  I think you have a clearer idea of the overall picture than myself.

With regards to the Monads who had reached animal, vegetable and mineral stages etc on the Moon Chain - I mentioned these partly as a reminder for ‘us’ to keep in mind that these are waves of evolution in their own right and shouldn’t be confused with what is said about the Human Monads from the Lunar chain going through the earlier stages again ‘(rebecomes) a mineral, a plant, and animal, on globe B and C, etc’ (SD I 159).

When we look at the many references to the passages of Monads around the planetary chain, it’s not always entirely clear (at least to me!) whether it is the  Seven Kingdoms of Nature (from elementals up to Man) or the seven classes of Human Monads from the Lunar Chain that is referred to.  Hence, I’m still not sure we are meant to understand that the Human Monads from the Lunar Chain ‘re-become’ the three elemental kingdoms as well as the mineral, plant and animal.  It doesn’t appear so on p159, above, but it remains open to question. 

Yes, as I understand it the lower kingdoms of Nature (elemental through to animal) have already started the cyclic process around the globes of the new chain before the seven classes of Human Monads from the Lunar Chain make their entrance.    The three elemental kingdoms lead the way on globe A in three evolutions and are a part of the initial formation or condensation of the globe itself,  then comes the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdom following on from each other in just the way you describe.  There's a good description in Mahatma Letter 14, “Supplementary Notes”, Mahatma Letters to Sinnett, Barker Edition.

You asked about my comment,  “"Then there are the planetary spirits of their respective globes of the Moon Chain, which presumably are instrumental in creating the laya centre’s for each globe of the Earth Chain around which the life waves of the Seven Kingdoms of Nature will assemble as the Life Wave of Monads moves from globe to globe."

I don’t think I’ve put that very well.  I don’t think we can say that the planetary spirits create laya centres, yet laya centres are “produced” from what we read in SD I stanza VI, and they have to be produced somewhere in ‘space and time’, in relation to each other and in relation to the Solar System as a whole.  So, it seems to me that the planetary spirits of each chain and/or globe play their part in that ‘production’ or ‘calling to life’ of the laya centres during the formation of the globes in each new chain.  When the life waves of monads in each of the seven kingdoms of nature transfer from one globe to another or from one chain to a new chain there must surely be a higher intelligence(s) that acts as the overarching organising ‘principle’, so to speak, for the new development taking into account the development made so far including Karma.  I would see that as the planetary spirit or spirits.

Yes,  I was also thinking that the planetary spirits constitute the principles of the earth chain, though I wasn’t thinking particularly of the diagram on SD I 153.  There’s a passage in THE KEY which links the seven principles to the Dhyanis, which I can’t put my finger on at the moment.  

One useful reference to the planetary spirits and globes might be the following from ‘Transactions’:

‘… the planetary spirit has nothing to do with the spiritual man, but with things of matter and cosmic beings. The gods and rulers of our Earth are cosmic Rulers; that is to say, they form into shape and fashion cosmic matter, for which they were called Cosmocratores. They never had any concern with spirit; the Dhyani-Buddhas, belonging to quite a different hierarchy, are especially concerned with the latter.   .   .   .   the “Planetary” – who are not the Dhyani-Buddhas – have everything to do with the earth, physically and morally. It is they who rule its destinies and the fate of men. They are Karmic agencies.’

Transactions of Blavatsky Lodge,  meeting 4.

I wonder, if we look at the diagram on SD I 200 might we see a correspondence there between the Arupa Planes above and seven globes below with the Dhyani Buddhas and Planetary Spirits respectively?

Just some thoughts.

Permalink Reply by Peter on July 4, 2014 at 2:44am
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Diagram SD I 200:

Permalink Reply by Casady on August 1, 2014 at 12:18pm
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Some more intriguing passages, on the general aspects of the rounds:

[Agastya further says: “In the beginning it was light. In its fiery next birth it became blue. In its mysterious third, it became red. In the fourth it got heated and became white. Springing then, it became yellow. In its next birth its color was that of the feathery peacock. In its seventh and last, it became, indeed, an egg-colored crystal.”]

The meaning of this is simple enough to him who has studied the theory of rebirths in the Esoteric doctrine. This gradation and change of colours refers to our physical and moral constitution on (a) the various seven planets and (b) in the seven root races. Planet A, corresponds to pure light—the essence of man’s primeval body when he is all  spiritual; on planet B man becomes objective—assumes definite colour; on C, he becomes still more physical—hence red, the red-earth or Adam Kadmon, being the material acquired by the monad in the preceding world prior to being developed as man—on this Earth; on planet D, white, the colour containing an equal proportion of spirit and matter; on E, he is yellow—(relating to the Yogi’s robe) more spiritual; on F, he is fast approaching “the peacock” colour, that bird being the emblem and vahana of Saraswati, the goddess of universal occult wisdom; while in the seventh and last birth man’s aura is compared to that of an egg-coloured crystal—pure crystalline, purity being the attribute of God-Man.

FOOTNOTES TO “YOGA AND KALPA”, HPB - CW 6, pp. 14-15

On our globe, during the first round, animal “creation” precedes that of man, while the former (or mammal) evolves from the latter in our fourth round — on the physical plane: in Round I. the animal atoms are drawn into a cohesion of human physical form; while in Round IV. the reverse occurs according to magnetic conditions developed during life. And this is metempsychosis (SeeMineral Monad in Five Years of Theosophy,” p. 276). SD1 455

There's a nice short overview of the system by William Q. Judge called:

ROUNDS AND RACES

http://www.blavatsky.net/theosophy/judge/articles/rounds-and-races.htm

"It must also be remembered that the groups of monads discussed in “Theosophical Gleanings” in Vol. VI of Lucifer are not to be taken as identical with the seven root-races through which the monadic host passes on each globe in each round."

Permalink Reply by Peter on June 21, 2014 at 11:51am
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Debashree writes: Hi Peter .... I need an explanation of a continuation of a part of what you have posted here on pg 176 ... I have posted it down... could you help me..?

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Debashree, I have had to reply to you in a new thread as the web page would allow a reply under your original post.  I'm not quite sure what you are asking, sorry.  Would you mind saying a bit more as to your query.

The post of mine you refer to is, I think:  http://theosophynexus.com/group/secret-doctrine-study-group/forum/t...