Key Concepts Study Group

  • From the Three Fundamentals of the Secret Doctrine:

    (b.) The Eternity of the Universe in toto as a boundless plane; periodically “the playground of numberless Universes incessantly manifesting and disappearing,” called “the manifesting stars,” and the “sparks of Eternity.” “The Eternity of the Pilgrim”† is like a wink of the Eye of Self-Existence…[Read more]

  • Here are some quotes on the theme of Parabrahm, Cause(s), the Great Breath, Ideation & so on. I hope members find them useful to reflect upon. I do.

    The Secret Doctrine establishes three fundamental propositions [the first being]:
    (a) An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable Principle on which all speculation is impossible . . .…[Read more]

  • I say in the above previous post: ‘Looking at that third quote above, we might conceive of ‘the unconscious purposiveness of Parabrahm’ as the Law of Karma..’ Just to clarify: I wasn’t suggesting that the quote itself was talking about the Law of Karma, I only meant to say we might conceive of ‘the unconscious purposiveness of Parabrahm’…[Read more]

  • For those who may not be familiar with this idea; causes can be understood in different ways. For example, Aristotle discusses four types of cause: the material, the formal, the efficient and the final. Aristotle saw these four causes as answering the basic questions as to why something is the way that it is. This lead some philosophers to refer…[Read more]

  • Jon, you say: “My perspective is: the “rootless root” is not a root of any kind, but is a symbol for an infinitude of roots; the causeless cause it not a cause of any kind, but is a symbol for an infinitude of causes.”

    I’m not sure this view does anything to resolve the metaphysical problem of the origin of causes and/or roots? How and from…[Read more]

  • I can sort-of see your line of thinking, Jon. Interesting thoughts.

    For myself I am simply aiming to stay with the terminology and language that HPB is using. This message is going to be a bit repetitive in places, but I can’t think of a clearer way to clarify what I’ve said. My weakness, so my apologies. The following terms are some of the d…[Read more]

  • Divine Wisdom, Theosophy, we are told, teaches a principle of unity in all life. This is a central principle within the system. It seems to me that you cannot uphold this idea of radical unity without the building block concept of the Absolute. The constant and recurring tendency to divide one thing from another, to create separations is…[Read more]

  • I’ve been enjoying reading the Secret Doctrine Dialogues recently, and can’t help but share a couple more quotes that made me chuckle and wonder what kind of quips or chastisations HPB would hurl upon us during this discussion. 😉

    On the Hindu systems (I’ve underlined one sentence which I think is particularly relevant to us here):

    Mme.…

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  • I’ve been enjoying reading the Secret Doctrine Dialogues recently, and can’t help but share a couple more quotes that made me chuckle and wonder what kind of quips or chastisations HPB would hurl upon us during this discussion. 😉

    On the Hindu systems (I’ve underlined one sentence which I think is particularly relevant to us here):

    Mme.…

    [Read more]

  • Thanks Peter. I really appreciate your contributions here. You say:

    “That said, do we need to keep in mind that ‘the rootless root’ is still some kind of root, and ‘the causeless cause’ is still some kind of causation?”

    From my perspective, these and other terms or phrases we use for “The Absolute” are essentially but symbols or figurat…[Read more]

  • Thanks Peter, love the quote from CW 3, 267.
    To your last ref. on aim and purpose we may well add what HPB already mentioned in Isis, II:143

    “Thus, whether we say that Kabalism and Gnosticism proceeded from Masdeanism or Zoroastrianism, it is all the same, unless we meant the exoteric worship — which we do not. Likewise, and in this sense, we m…[Read more]

  • “Whatever conclusion can be derived from anything HPB (and Judge as well) has written down, most of the answers end up requiring new questions again.”

    Those are wise words, Pierre, and I’ve often found your contributions to the study have raised good new questions for me to reflect upon.

    With regards the Second Object, I don’t think it require…[Read more]

  • Slow on the uptake as well here.

    “’To promote the study’ and ’to vindicate the importance’ are quite definite and powerful phrases urging action. I find it hard to believe the Founders would suggest either of these if such study only led students down an exoteric dead end path.”

    Yes I agree Peter, on the other hand HPB is also quick enough,…[Read more]

  • Hi Jon,

    Just some thoughts on those helpful passages you’ve shared.

    It must be right to use the term ‘beyond’ in a general sense in relation to the Absolute as (to us) it transcends all realms of manifestation and relativity. That said, do we need to keep in mind that ‘the rootless root’ is still some kind of root, and ‘the causeless cause…[Read more]

  • Hi Pierre,

    I’m rather slow at responding at the moment – my apologies. When I said that it’s problematic to treat the term Parabrahm as meaning ‘beyond Brahman’ as a way of showing that Brahma is the First Logos, I meant that it is ‘problematic’ from the point of view of our theosophical texts. I’ve already provided a number of passages from…[Read more]

  • “ABSOLUTE Deity, having to be unconditioned and unrelated, cannot be thought of at the same time as an active, creating, one living god, without immediate degradation of the ideal. A Deity that manifests in Space and Time— these two being simply the forms of THAT which is the Absolute ALL — can be but a fractional part of the whole. And since…[Read more]

  • I want to add a portion of a discussion between HPB and her students from the Secret Doctrine Dialogues. It’s a bit long for a forum, but I really think it tackles the philosophical issues around Parabrahma quite well. The discussion arises because the students are trying to wrap their mind around what Parabrahma is, and you’ll notice them also…[Read more]

  • A good question, Pierre. I suppose they would simply use terms like “unthinkable and unspeakable.” As you know, Blavatsky quoted these terms from the Māṇḍūkya Upaniṣad (from Gough’s translation in The Philosophy of the Upanishads, 1882, p. 71) to describe the first fundamental proposition of the Secret Doctrine. I regard unmanifested planes or pla…[Read more]

  • Thanks David for all your elucidations of the terminology in Hindu and Advaita philosophy, as I learn a lot from it, idem ditto for Peter’s explanations.

    My question to you – within the context of your explanations – (or anyone else who’d like to chime in) would be:

    How would you understand HPB’s comment in the Transactions pp. 107 and 111, when…[Read more]

  • Hi Peter,

    re: “Rather than focusing on whether or not parabrahm mean beyond-brahma (neuter) which is problematic (though not so if claiming greater than brahmā) why not come at it from a different angle – brahman as the great breath, for example?”

    I don’t know if I understand your last question within the right context, so please correct me if…[Read more]

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